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by spin
Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Forget the Myth of Jesus
Replies: 41
Views: 1899

Re: Forget the Myth of Jesus

I think Acts helps us to understand how Jews Greeks and Romans interacted in the mid 1st century. The 2nd century was different. It is the right sort of interaction for the period. E.G Roman citizenship is rather rare in the Eastern mediterranean and it is binary one has it in an all or nothing way...
by spin
Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Forget the Myth of Jesus
Replies: 41
Views: 1899

Re: Forget the Myth of Jesus

a/ I think the importance of Jerusalem as an early center of Christianity can be argued from the letters of Paul e.g. Galatians. (I am not really interested in discussing whether Galatians etc have been interpolated to support later orthodoxy.) Acts seems to have been written to create an importanc...
by spin
Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Forget the Myth of Jesus
Replies: 41
Views: 1899

Re: Forget the Myth of Jesus

In passing here are the Westar Institute Acts Seminar findings on the book of Acts: The use of Acts as a source for history has long needed critical reassessment. Acts was written in the early decades of the second century. The author of Acts used the letters of Paul as sources. Except for the lette...
by spin
Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The nomen sacrum ΙΣ in Justin's Dialogue with Trypho 75
Replies: 43
Views: 7137

Re: The nomen sacrum ΙΣ in Justin's Dialogue with Trypho 75

And what does that prove? No more than a version of Dialogue had this section of text and used the nomen sacrum this way. The exemplar of the orthodox edition of Justin used by Irenaeus had this section of text. But the Dialogue is acknowledged even by conservative scholars such as Craig Evans to h...
by spin
Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 32775

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

Given that Paul is our earliest writer on the subject of Jesus, you must not retroject ideas from later works to bring Paul into their fold. Relevance in tradition only goes foward, not backward. We must look at Paul's Jewish cultural background to contextualise and understand him. That's why we lo...
by spin
Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 32775

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

GakuseiDon, I'm responding by phone, so bear with me... You are a historicist, in that you apply some notion of historicity to what you consider relevant sources to argue that Jesus participated in life on earth. I understand from what Paul says that he believed Jesus participated in life on earth. ...
by spin
Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 32775

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

When we talk about Paul, I think we should always keep him in context with the other texts we have. How many epistles do we have that quote Jesus as we might have expected Paul to quote Jesus? We have epistles in the New Testament that even mythicists believe were written by historicists (e.g. 2 Pe...
by spin
Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 32775

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

GakuseiDon, I have always attempted to read Paul for what he actually says, trying not to import ideas from elsewhere that most likely would obfuscate his words, seeing as he is our earliest writer about Jesus and everything else is bound to be later and assume tradition more developed or shaped. Th...
by spin
Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 32775

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

I can't see that you've added anything, GakuseiDon. That could just be me, but did you see the addition I made to my previous post? I did thanks spin. It confirms where our disconnect is. I think you are arguing that, if Paul was an actual eye-witness of the Risen Jesus (rather than a 'theological'...
by spin
Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 32775

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

I can't see that you've added anything, GakuseiDon. That could just be me, but did you see the addition I made to my previous post?