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by Chrissy Hansen
Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Replies: 26
Views: 233

Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist

Litwa: I’m on record as saying that ancient people never argued that Jesus didn’t exist. And I stand by this point. But the Talmud placed Jesus under Janneus. The Jesus lived under Pilate was a myth, according to that Talmudic tradition. Peter Schaefer has discussed this at length, but it was also ...
by Chrissy Hansen
Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
Replies: 8
Views: 266

Re: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200

So I found a few more references, all of which also go back to Eusebius (directly or via intermediary): Suda, s.v. Ἰώσηπος, iota 503 here is quoting from the Greek translation (verbatim) of Jerome's De Viris Illustribus 13. Jerome, Adversus Jovinianum 1.39 [PG 23.277–78] (reliant on either Eusebius ...
by Chrissy Hansen
Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
Replies: 8
Views: 266

Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200

So, I have been conducting some research on the James 20.200 passage (which I am working on a paper about arguing it is inauthentic). One thing I decided to do (because I can't find anyone else who has done it) is trace all the different iterations of the "brother of Jesus, called Christ" ...
by Chrissy Hansen
Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
Replies: 20
Views: 341

Re: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take

τοῦ λεγομένου Χριστοῦ in the extant Ant . 20.200 is in Matthew 27:17 and 22 : as τὸν λεγόμενον Χριστόν (both in the mouth of Pilate ; see footnote 43 below) Matthew 1:16 : as ὁ λεγόμενος Χριστός 1 John 4:25 : also as ὁ λεγόμενος Χριστός 1 which, in footnote 39, List notes is . a passage about Jesus...
by Chrissy Hansen
Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
Replies: 20
Views: 341

Re: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take

I personally think the phrase can be either confessional or distanced, depending on context. I also think that the entire idea that a Christian scribe would always go around using pious language when interpolating something is, actually, an invalid assumption. "Distanced" language, as Whea...
by Chrissy Hansen
Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
Replies: 20
Views: 341

Re: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take

(5) Whealey's previous contention that a Christian would not use "called Christ" for Jesus he refutes. Has this been pressed too far in the opposite direction? Some people now seem to be treating this phrase itself as confessional, not just something that a Christian "would use."...
by Chrissy Hansen
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
Replies: 20
Views: 341

Re: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take

His argument is that the portion λεγομένου Χριστοῦ (called Christ) is quite probably a marginal note that was inserted into the passage at some later point, similar to Carrier, and that the James being mentioned is a brother of Joshua ben Damneus mentioned in 20.203, again similar to Carrier. (1) I...
by Chrissy Hansen
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
Replies: 20
Views: 341

Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take

A new paper just dropped from Nicholas List. The first portion of the letter argues that the Antiquities 20.200 passage mentioning "James the brother of Jesus, called Christ" is partly interpolated. His argument is that the portion λεγομένου Χριστοῦ (called Christ) is quite probably a marg...
by Chrissy Hansen
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:11 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
Replies: 46
Views: 1271

Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom

New paper just dropped: Nicholas List, "The Death of James the Just Revisited" Abstract: Based on the testimony of Josephus (Jewish Antiquities 20.197–203), most scholars place the death of James, the brother of Jesus in 62 c.e. This article breaks with this consensus, arguing that the ref...
by Chrissy Hansen
Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 95
Views: 2323

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

(Reinach was not a professor. He was a curator at museums)

Also good luck with that withdrawal. No one is convinced here G.