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- Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:01 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 26
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Litwa: I’m on record as saying that ancient people never argued that Jesus didn’t exist. And I stand by this point. But the Talmud placed Jesus under Janneus. The Jesus lived under Pilate was a myth, according to that Talmudic tradition. Peter Schaefer has discussed this at length, but it was also ...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:27 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
- Replies: 8
- Views: 266
Re: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
So I found a few more references, all of which also go back to Eusebius (directly or via intermediary): Suda, s.v. Ἰώσηπος, iota 503 here is quoting from the Greek translation (verbatim) of Jerome's De Viris Illustribus 13. Jerome, Adversus Jovinianum 1.39 [PG 23.277–78] (reliant on either Eusebius ...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
- Replies: 8
- Views: 266
Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
So, I have been conducting some research on the James 20.200 passage (which I am working on a paper about arguing it is inauthentic). One thing I decided to do (because I can't find anyone else who has done it) is trace all the different iterations of the "brother of Jesus, called Christ" ...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:32 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
- Replies: 20
- Views: 341
Re: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
τοῦ λεγομένου Χριστοῦ in the extant Ant . 20.200 is in Matthew 27:17 and 22 : as τὸν λεγόμενον Χριστόν (both in the mouth of Pilate ; see footnote 43 below) Matthew 1:16 : as ὁ λεγόμενος Χριστός 1 John 4:25 : also as ὁ λεγόμενος Χριστός 1 which, in footnote 39, List notes is . a passage about Jesus...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:02 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
- Replies: 20
- Views: 341
Re: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
I personally think the phrase can be either confessional or distanced, depending on context. I also think that the entire idea that a Christian scribe would always go around using pious language when interpolating something is, actually, an invalid assumption. "Distanced" language, as Whea...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:38 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
- Replies: 20
- Views: 341
Re: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
(5) Whealey's previous contention that a Christian would not use "called Christ" for Jesus he refutes. Has this been pressed too far in the opposite direction? Some people now seem to be treating this phrase itself as confessional, not just something that a Christian "would use."...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
- Replies: 20
- Views: 341
Re: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
His argument is that the portion λεγομένου Χριστοῦ (called Christ) is quite probably a marginal note that was inserted into the passage at some later point, similar to Carrier, and that the James being mentioned is a brother of Joshua ben Damneus mentioned in 20.203, again similar to Carrier. (1) I...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:26 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
- Replies: 20
- Views: 341
Josephus, Antiquities 20.200: List's Take
A new paper just dropped from Nicholas List. The first portion of the letter argues that the Antiquities 20.200 passage mentioning "James the brother of Jesus, called Christ" is partly interpolated. His argument is that the portion λεγομένου Χριστοῦ (called Christ) is quite probably a marg...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:11 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
- Replies: 46
- Views: 1271
Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
New paper just dropped: Nicholas List, "The Death of James the Just Revisited" Abstract: Based on the testimony of Josephus (Jewish Antiquities 20.197–203), most scholars place the death of James, the brother of Jesus in 62 c.e. This article breaks with this consensus, arguing that the ref...
- Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:00 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
- Replies: 95
- Views: 2323
Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
(Reinach was not a professor. He was a curator at museums)
Also good luck with that withdrawal. No one is convinced here G.
Also good luck with that withdrawal. No one is convinced here G.