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by GakuseiDon
Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ultimate Ascension of Isaiah thread
Replies: 26
Views: 3148

Re: Ultimate Ascension of Isaiah thread

surely also the Risen Christ appeared to men like Peter and James and Paul "dwelling among men, and in the world, and they did not know him", to mean that only during hallucinations he could be seen, and only by Christian apostles, not even by mere brothers of the Lord. So these passages can't be i...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ultimate Ascension of Isaiah thread
Replies: 26
Views: 3148

Re: Ultimate Ascension of Isaiah thread

One issue you maybe should cover is the claim by Norelli that the Latin version of AoI used by the Cathars contained a nativity scene. See http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2492 and http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=750 (very long and rambling thread) Thanks Andrew...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ultimate Ascension of Isaiah thread
Replies: 26
Views: 3148

Ultimate Ascension of Isaiah thread

This thread is inspired by Neil Godfrey's latest post on his excellent Vridar blog: Response #3: Non Sequitur’s Tim O’Neill presentation, The Ascension of Isaiah I thought it might be worthwhile to get the background in order to see: (1) what texts we actually have and what do they say, and (2) what...
by GakuseiDon
Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Philippian Hymn - no incarnation?
Replies: 10
Views: 1398

Re: Philippian Hymn - no incarnation?

Here Jesus "makes himself of no effect, being in the form of God taking on the form of a slave ... becoming obedient to the point of death". In a way, then, this emptying element is the exact opposite - perhaps even undoing - of Adam's transgression, as he grabbed being equal to God. Adam grabbed t...
by GakuseiDon
Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Marcion lost
Replies: 24
Views: 2667

Re: Why Marcion lost

1) because the "historical Jesus" was more concrete (for the stupid hoi polloi ) insofar was a real Jew from Judea and not a hologram. I wonder if this would have mattered in the Second Century when Marcion was active. Is there evidence that the people in the Second Century would have preferred a '...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?
Replies: 27
Views: 5825

Re: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?

Giuseppe wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:20 am
The dead Jesus is hidden in a solar eclipse in Mark...
That phrase has such a wonderful mythic feel, especially for a proposed celestial Jesus! I love it! :notworthy: But Jesus doesn't actually die until after the darkness finishes at the ninth hour in Mark.
by GakuseiDon
Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?
Replies: 27
Views: 5825

Re: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?

The Internet Archive has Dillmann's 1877 edition: https://archive.org/details/ascensioisaiaeae00dill/page/80 . (I cannot seem to access the 1522 or 1832 editions.) It shows the following: Et princips mundi illius extendet manum suam in filium dei, et occidet illum , et suspendet illum in ligno et o...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?
Replies: 27
Views: 5825

Re: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?

Could this be a translation issue? The English translation of the Ethiopic version: 9:14 (not 18:14): http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ascension.html And the god of that world will stretch forth his hand against the Son, and they will crucify Him on a tree, and will slay Him not knowing wh...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Fictional Jesus Synthesis
Replies: 115
Views: 28235

Re: Fictional Jesus Synthesis

This in turn led to a change in the perception of what resurrection actually means, because now you had the resurrection of the old body with all its blemishes and flaws. Which in turn brings lots of new problems, like what happens when cremated or otherwise severely injured during death. I doubt t...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Fictional Jesus Synthesis
Replies: 115
Views: 28235

Re: Fictional Jesus Synthesis

If Jesus lived and died then belief in a spiritual resurrection could not have made his dead body disappear. The issue is to avoid confusing modern notions of "spiritual" with ancient notions. There is a difference between sarx (flesh), soma (body), pneuma (spirit, breath, wind) overlapping somewha...