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by GakuseiDon
Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 13383

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

I believe your M/H key is too rough (or is it Carrier’s or Doherty’s key you use?), in two ways: The key is based on Dr Carrier's conclusions as much as possible. I use M? and H? because Carrier is sometimes unsure himself. I'm happy to correct the chart if I've misread Carrier anywhere, as Giusepp...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 13383

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

But I'm asking, on what grounds do you (and/or Carrier) think it's possible, in the first place, to classify NT texts as M or H? In my OP I am working from Dr Carrier's conclusions or suggestions about what he regards as M or H. My analysis is then to look at the texts more broadly, and from that I...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 13383

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

Thanks for this analysis of Carrier and Doherty. I imagine you would agree that we can ask two different questions about NT texts. 1) Do they provide evidence, strong or weak, that a human/historical Jesus existed? 2) Did the author(s) believe that a human/historical Jesus existed? Sure, but that w...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 13383

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

'M" = Mythicist text, i.e. a text written by a 'mythicist' Christian, i.e. the author didn't believe in a historical Jesus I am surprised to read that 'John', 'Luke', 'Matthew' (authors) and even the author of Acts were 'mythicist' authors. I remember somewhere that Carrier wrote that these Gospel ...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 13383

New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

Below I've given an analysis of the 27 books in the New Testament, examining them from the perspective of whether they support mythicist or not, and the differences between texts that do support mythicism and texts that don't. The data has been taken from my notes compiled when reviewing Earl Dohert...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Lena Einhorn's ideas
Replies: 113
Views: 27828

Re: Lena Einhorn's ideas

Hi Lena, the quiet section starts at 3:09, after you mention the Testimonium Flavianum, and sound comes back at 13:35, when you talk about Ginea. If I use my headphones, I can hear that your commentary is still there, just very quiet, but with my desktop loudspeakers, I don't hear anything during t...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions
Replies: 53
Views: 15984

Re: Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions

To me, Brodie's view (as I understand it) is a reflection what may have happened at the primary event of the writing of gMark: what sources did the author of gMark have when he/she sat down to write that Gospel? I assume that the author was part of a Christian community that had sources either oral ...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bob Price reviews R.G. Price's book
Replies: 6
Views: 1585

Re: Bob Price reviews R.G. Price's book

I'm not sure if you've had time to completely read Price's book, but are there any elements his theory has added to your own mythicist views, Giuseppe? (apologies for the earlier misspelling!) I haven't read his book, and probably unlikely to read it, but I'd be interested if he had any insights tha...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions
Replies: 53
Views: 15984

Re: Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions

Does anyone understand what Brodie meant by the following (as kindly reproduced by Ben Smith earlier in this thread): Ehrman's book could seem to set up a false dilemma: stay with a claim to a historical Jesus, or lose Jesus and, with him, lose God . But there is a further option. Rediscover Jesus a...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bob Price reviews R.G. Price's book
Replies: 6
Views: 1585

Re: Bob Price reviews R.G. Price's book

Indeed, there is not contradiction. Also RG Price follows strictly the Doherty-Carrier paradigm from a celestial Jesus to a earthly Jesus. Ah, my mistake. For some reason I got the idea that he wasn't proposing that. Heavy praise indeed by RM Price, if he believes that RG Price has set forth the st...