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by Bernard Muller
Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

My diagram:

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Cordially, Bernard
by Bernard Muller
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

to John2, In my view the multiple translations of the Hebrew Matthew would essentially be "Q," if not quite in the sense it is commonly thought (i.e., they would not have been collections of "sayings" only). Q also contains narrative elements. As for the NT Matthew using multiple translations of the...
by Bernard Muller
Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

to Blood, Yes, I accept that. But Papias did not invent a Hebrew gospel of Matthew. It was from Papias dealing with logia allegedly collected by Matthew. Later, in Irenaeus' time, the logia from Matthew became the Hebrew gospel of Matthew. Irenaeus took his clues from Papias. Still later, gospels ac...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

to John2 I don't know how to make a fancy chart but I see things this way. How does this look? ... With Q, there is no need for Hebrew Matthew, and multiple translations, and Greek Matthew. What evidence do you have for multiple translations in the make up of Greek Mathew? That's what I asked in my ...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

to Gorit Maqueda, I found this interesting: https://vridar.org/2020/03/11/a-semitic-original-for-the-gospels-of-mark-and-matthew/ Yes, the examples by Jean Carmignac on imitations from Hebrew to Greek (most of them in Mark) are very troubling for me. But "Mark" would be translations (as judging from...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

The only thing right on the diagram is Luke being dependent on Mark. But Luke also being dependent on that proto-John is very unsane. As also Matthew dependent on Marcion. All of that nonsense appears to me is to make Marcion as the first full gospel, Matthew's logia (in Hebrew!) as the reference go...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

Ho, gLuke written after gMarcion? that goes against the internal evidence as explained here (with examples): http://historical-jesus.info/53.html
Cordially, Bernard
by Bernard Muller
Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

How I fit the gospels together? Anyone interested? With graphjcs and tons of evidence. See http://historical-jesus.info/107.html , http://historical-jesus.info/86.html , http://historical-jesus.info/gospels.html , and http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6286&p=106854&hilit=cordially#p...
by Bernard Muller
Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

Sorry guys, I don't have the energy to answer your posts. But I am not ignoring them even if they go against my viewpoint.

Cordially, Bernard
by Bernard Muller
Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 75
Views: 14153

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

to Stuart, There is a simpler solution. Those citing Papias had no clue about the original language, and frankly didn't care. Their objective was to justify the binding order of the four gospels with Matthew first, before Mark. By saying he wrote in Hebrew helped give priority to Matthew, since it d...