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by ghost
Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 96277

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

How did the Jewish angel end up on the cross?
by ghost
Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 96277

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

Sure who could dispute that. But you haven't demonstrated that the gospel is a reflection of the Roman cult or why that is more reasonable than seeing it as reflecting specifically Jewish values (which is plainly evident from the narrative). But that's not plainly evident from the Christian traditi...
by ghost
Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 96277

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

Just because they mention Pilate in the Jesus story doesn't mean the Jesus story can't be a rewrite of an older story. If it was a completely fictitious story like Romeo and Juliet that would be true. But the theory breaks down when you realize that Christians have always believed that this is the ...
by ghost
Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 96277

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

If you and Mary can remove all boundaries and argue for EITHER Caesar or Antigonus how are we to differentiate between the two? In other words, if anything goes can't Jesus have been any murdered individual in antiquity? Or perhaps we can go one step further and say not only is the dating of the na...
by ghost
Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 96277

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

Do you even have a clue about what you are talking about? No of course not. You've demonstrated that time and time again. Just because they mention Pilate in the Jesus story doesn't mean the Jesus story can't be a rewrite of an older story. They could have adapted and relocated an older story to an...
by ghost
Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 96277

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

No one can deny that the Torah, the Jewish prophetic writings and other ancient source material is referenced in the evangelist's narrative. But can we use that fact to make the claim that nothing is as it seems, that 'Jesus' is really someone else, that what appears to be about a crucifixion under...
by ghost
Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 96277

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

It's easy to see why and the answer takes care of the early "Church Fathers", who could not even agree on a Time Line for this Mythical Son of God. They are writing for a New Religion. Many of the writers are writing from positions inside the Roman Court! There's a Mystery here??!? The Roman religi...
by ghost
Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 96277

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

Wait a minute. One source says he was beheaded by Antony, well two if you count Plutarch. My question is what sources do we have that plainly states Plutarch witnessed this event? Or his Plutarch writing only what he heard happened? Antigonus and Plutarch are not contemporary. https://en.wikipedia....
by ghost
Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 96277

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

Exactly. Stupid theories manifest their stupidity when you take them apart. The bottom line is why choose a 'historical basis' for the gospel story in a convoluted (and ultimately silly) transportation from the time after the Common Era to Before the Common Era? If there are no ancient witnesses fo...
by ghost
Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier: Should We Still Be Looking for a Historical Jesus?
Replies: 26
Views: 9880

Re: Carrier: Should We Still Be Looking for a Historical Jes

Stephan Huller wrote:Yeah that's great. If you were a piano every key would hit the same note.
I hope this is less monotonous to you:

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