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by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

But Mark doesn't say that Judas hanged himself (or anything about how he died). That's in Mt. 27:5 (and Acts 1:18): So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. Did Matthew (and Acts) pick up on the Ahithophel theme? Or did Mark originally say something ab...
by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

It seems to all fit. Mk. 14:33-36: ... and he [Jesus] began to be deeply distressed and troubled. “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death ,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.” Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass fr...
by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

So, looking at 2 Sam. 15-17 (where Ahithophel is first mentioned), I see right off the bat that 15:2 says something that could be relevant to the "man of Kerioth" idea (though in regard to Absalom): Whenever anyone came with a complaint to be placed before the king for a decision, Absalom would call...
by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

The "ish Kerioth" (or "man from Kerioth") idea doesn't seem to explain why Judas betrayed Jesus. The influence may go in the other direction: a northern (Galilean) tradition about the betrayer of Jesus, noticing (as many commentators do) that Judas is based upon Ahithophel, betrayer of David, and a...
by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

perseusomega9 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:24 pm
Yabbut was he a member of the Judean Peoples Front or the Peoples Front of Judea?
I hear you, and I used to be dismissive of the idea of an historical Judas and reckon I still might be after all the cards are on the table, but I want to at least look at all the cards.
by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

But then Wikipedia goes on to say: Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus according to the New Testament, was believed to be a sicarius. This opinion is objected to by modern historians, mainly because Josephus in The War of the Hebrews (2:254–7) mentions the appearance of the Sicarii a...
by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

As I start to take a closer look at the sicarii, this is jumping out at me from Wikipedia: On some occasions, the Sicarii could be bribed to spare their intended victims. Once, Josephus relates, after kidnapping the secretary of Eleazar, governor of the Temple precincts, they agreed to release him i...
by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

And I see from the Wikipedia page for Judas that the sicarii "were known for committing acts of terrorism in the 40s and 50s AD." If this is the case, then come on, what's the big deal if Judas was a slightly earlier version of a sicarii (or proto-sicarii)?
by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

And while I'm at it, I keep hearing "Aramaic" in NT studies, but I lean towards the idea that Hebrew was the dominant language of Jesus' time (as the majority of the DSS attest). I can dig up some things that make me suspect this, but as I was reading the Judas Wikipedia page I noticed yet another e...
by John2
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 39
Views: 1180

Re: Judas Iscariot

And I do take into consideration the argument that the sicarii interpretation "is problematic, however, because there is nothing in the gospels to associate Judas with the Sicarii, and there is no evidence that the cadre existed during the 30s AD when Judas was alive" (as the Wikipedia page for Juda...