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by John2
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pastorals
Replies: 31
Views: 1069

Re: The Pastorals

The pastoral are late (post marcion), and meant to bridge the differences between Pauline and non-Pauline christians Sure, and Nazarene Jewish Christians also existed long after 70 CE (if dating is an issue for you). And they would have also had to contend with emergent Gnosticism and bridging "the...
by John2
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pastorals
Replies: 31
Views: 1069

Re: The Pastorals

And look at the "three nets of Satan" (which is actually "Belial" and not Satan in Hebrew, but that's six on one hand, half a dozen on the other) in the translation above (which is Vermes'): ... these are the three nets of Satan with which Levi son of Jacob said that he catches Israel by setting the...
by John2
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pastorals
Replies: 31
Views: 1069

The Pastorals

Prompted by a recent thread started by robert j, I've been thinking about the Pastorals lately, which I'd never taken a close look at before. I actually like 1 and 2 Timothy, it turns out, while Titus strikes me as being the worst NT writing (on par with the apocryphal epistle of Barnabas). I couldn...
by John2
Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6984

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

My own view (apart from whatever 1 Timothy may mean) is that to use the Torah "legitimately" is to observe and teach it the way that Jesus did, like he says in Mt. 5:17-19: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I t...
by John2
Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6984

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

I haven't given 1 Timothy (or the other Pastorals) much attention before (beyond its reference to Pilate and apparent references to Gnosticism). As I take a fresh look at it, I'm inclined to agree with you that it appears to be referring to Gnosticism, maybe even Valentinianism, particularly in 1:7:...
by John2
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6984

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

robert j wrote: The transfiguration scene in 2 Peter (1:16-19) bears little resemblance to the versions found in the synoptic New Testament Gospels ... Is that right? They seem similar to me. 2 Peter 1:16-18: For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and comin...
by John2
Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is a Jewish Christian? (For robert j)
Replies: 1
Views: 1214

Re: What is a Jewish Christian? (For robert j)

Here's an interesting article by an ex-Messianic Jew that discusses the differences between Paul and "Jewish Christians" (which I more or less agree with excepting the early dating and dismissal of Acts, which I view as being relatively late, around the mid-second century CE, but nevertheless quite ...
by John2
Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is a Jewish Christian? (For robert j)
Replies: 1
Views: 1214

What is a Jewish Christian? (For robert j)

I would say it is as redundant to say "Jewish Christian" as it would be to say "Jewish Fourth Philosopher"; of course they were Jewish. But whatever you call them, I see them as being Jews (of the Fourth Philosophic variety) who believed in observing the Torah and that Jesus was the Messiah. I think...
by John2
Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6984

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

John, These issues are dancing around the edges of the question: --- What constitutes a Jewish Christian? I’m not interested in following-up with you any further on these side-issues that are well-beyond the focus of the OP on the heresies in 2 Peter --- I plan on expanding on that topic here very ...
by John2
Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6984

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

I think this is exactly what the issue in early Christianity boils down to: faith with or without "works of the Law." I notice that when Paul discusses his reception by Jewish Christians after his conversion, he uses the word "faith": Gal. 1:22-24: I was personally unknown, however, to the churches ...