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by John2
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Paul really make it to Rome?
Replies: 14
Views: 3092

Re: Did Paul really make it to Rome?

Yeah, I share your view. Trobisch questions whether those referred to in Romans 16:17 are James and the Jerusalem sect. "17 I urge you, brothers, to keep an eye on those who cause dissensions and offenses, in opposition to the teaching that you have learned; avoid them. 18 For such people do not se...
by John2
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Paul really make it to Rome?
Replies: 14
Views: 3092

Re: Did Paul really make it to Rome?

rgprice wrote: ... the letters imply that Paul feared for his life going to Jerusalem to face James, John and Peter. Yet, of course, there is no conflict between Paul and these in Acts. I certainly trust the letters far more than Acts. But if Paul was going to Jerusalem to face James, Peter and John...
by John2
Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dating of 1 Thesselonians
Replies: 19
Views: 2699

Re: Dating of 1 Thesselonians

I think 1 Thessalonians could date to the late '60's CE (perhaps around the time of Vespasian's campaign) and I don't have any problem with 2:13-16 or think it is an interpolation. I think 2:13-16 and the reference to "we who are alive and remain" in 4:15 could fit this context just as well as a pos...
by John2
Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Convince me that 1 Clement knew a Gospel
Replies: 50
Views: 9971

Re: Convince me that 1 Clement knew a Gospel

From what I can recall of 1 Clement and its presumed provenance (Rome c. 95 CE, and I personally suspect it was written by Flavius Clemens), and given my dating of Papias (c. 100 CE) and what he and/or others said about the composition of Mark (two versions, a private one for Roman Christians and a ...
by John2
Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

Sure. Paul meant that so you could reconcile being a Jew and a Christian after converting to Christianity. Because, after all, you are the center of the universe and all things just orbit your splendor. I don't understand what you mean. I have not converted to Christianity or have any interest in d...
by John2
Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

Secret Alias wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:19 pm
So you think that Paul is still an observant Jew ... in spite of what he says about the Law in Galatians.

He says he pretended to be, yes.
by John2
Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

Acts here is a glossing over of what appears in Galatians. But even this fabrication can't be construed as "continuity" with this fictionalized Jerusalem Church. Anyway Steven we've strayed way off the OP This is a tangent that resulted from my response to something you said on this thread, and whi...
by John2
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

So the issue in Acts is whether Gentiles should be required to observe the Torah, and the Jewish Christian position is that they shouldn't but they are encouraged learn more about it and presumablyobserve if they choose to. In Galatians, Paul takes issue with this and also pushes the envelope regard...
by John2
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

So what was the meeting in Antioch all about mirrored in the Letter to the Galatians? The meeting in Jerusalem in Acts is about whether Gentiles should be required to be circumcised and observe the Torah, and Jewish Christian elders decided they did not but that they should observe four things and ...
by John2
Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

Secret Alias wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:00 pm
So in your opinion Paul's doctrinal position in Acts = Nazarenism? The latter portions of Acts show no change in Christian doctrine from the Christianity Peter learned from Jerusalem.

Yes.