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by John2
Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

2 Corinthians and Galatians were addressed to Gentile Christians, not Jewish Christians. Romans was addressed to both Gentile and Jewish Christians. Furthermore Paul admitted he was making pious lies: "For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as ...
by John2
Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

Paul also seems very sensitive, and in the context of talking about Jewish Christians, to being thought of as a liar. 2 Cor. 11:31: The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying . Gal. 1:19-29: But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lor...
by John2
Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

I think Paul could possibly be the Liar in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He at least seems similar to him, and I think it fits with the other elements that make me think (some of) the DSS could have been written by Jewish Christians (perhaps of the more "radical" type like those who rioted in Jerusalem in A...
by John2
Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

robert j, I like your last post and need to give it some more reflection. For now though, regarding this statement: In Galatians, Paul was arguing vehemently against some who were encouraging his followers to become circumcised. And who was doing this encouraging? Gal. 2:12-13: For before certain me...
by John2
Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

I think all this stems from Paul's MO in 1 Cor. 9:20-22 rather than him changing his views. He's kind of deliberately like a ...what's the word I'm looking for ... something that when you look at it you see what you want to see. To the Jews I became like a Jew , to win the Jews. To those under the l...
by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

robert j wrote: I think careful readings Paul's letters to his congregations indicate that what Paul meant here was that works of the law alone will not provide justification (unless one keeps the entire law, Galatians 5:3). But even with justification by faith, good works are also required --- But ...
by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

Ben, What you wrote seems to be the take in Acts 21:21-24 as well. But they are under the impression that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or observe our customs. What then should we do? ... Therefore do what we advise...
by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

robert j wrote: 1) You still haven’t clearly demonstrated that Paul promoted faith without works. 2) I don’t have time for this crap John2. By “crap”, I mean stringing together 3 separate passages from James as if it was a single passage, and without even identifying the verse numbers. 3) And even t...
by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

I think the letter James is clearly responding to Paul, but is not “anti-Pauline”. But rather, the letter attempts to put Paul in perspective, to correct misunderstandings of Paul’s teachings --- as did Paul himself. I agree, "anti-Pauline" might be too strong ... So let's call it "anti-Pauline tea...
by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 50221

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

to John2, What does what you've cited from Irenaeus have to do with Eusebius or his dating of the Ebionites? Just to show the Ebionites existed before 180 CE, at least. Contrary to what Giuseppe thinks. I don't follow you. Even the NT (Acts 11:26) says that "The disciples were first called Christia...