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by John2
Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:28 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Zealot Activity under Pilate?
Replies: 24
Views: 6730

Re: Zealot Activity under Pilate?

Maryhelena, I think we only disagree about the definition of "activity," with me taking the broader view that it consisted of more than armed rebellion (or the "violent wars" that Josephus blames on the Fourth Philosophy) but also the "misfortunes," "murders" and "seditions" that also happened betwe...
by John2
Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:07 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Zealot Activity under Pilate?
Replies: 24
Views: 6730

Re: Zealot Activity under Pilate?

Maryhelena, I found the pdf of Schwartz's 'Studies in the Jewish Background' but the "stasis" chapter was not viewable. At any rate, to me this is all about inference. We infer that the Fourth Philosophy founded by Judas in 6 CE has something to do with the "Zealot" activity of the 60's CE, and thus...
by John2
Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:53 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Zealot Activity under Pilate?
Replies: 24
Views: 6730

Re: Zealot Activity under Pilate?

Maryhelena, Those look like interesting books, judging from what is available online. But I wasn't able to access the pages you cited in the first one (186-187) or the chapter that discusses "stasis" in the second one online. I think I should clarify my big picture viewpoint on "Zealot activity" bet...
by John2
Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:26 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Zealot Activity under Pilate?
Replies: 24
Views: 6730

Re: Zealot Activity under Pilate?

Maryhelena, You wrote: "I don't know the Greek word involved here that is translated as 'sedition'. However, the quote says clearly that 'the people were unarmed'. An unarmed protest hardly seems to classify as 'sedition', as rebellion." I don't know what the Greek word is either, but I found a tran...
by John2
Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:47 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Zealot Activity under Pilate?
Replies: 24
Views: 6730

Re: Zealot Activity under Pilate?

Maryhelena, Well, technically we could say there was no "Zealot activity" until the 60's CE, because that's when Josephus first mentions "the Zealots": "Ananus's concern was ... to persuade the seditious to consult their own interest, and to restrain the madness of those that had the name of zealots...
by John2
Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:06 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Zealot Activity under Pilate?
Replies: 24
Views: 6730

Re: Zealot Activity under Pilate?

Maryhelena, I mentioned in another thread that Josephus ties all the seditious activity of the first century (and the destruction of the temple) to the revolt of Judas in 6 CE in Ant. 18.1.1: "All sorts of misfortunes also sprang from [Judas], and the nation was infected with this doctrine to an inc...
by John2
Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: And Now for Something Completely Different
Replies: 41
Views: 8629

Re: And Now for Something Completely Different

Peter, You wrote: "Given all of this, it is probable to speak of the seditious activity as extending, at a minimum, whether outright or just in planning, from 45 CE (and beginning no later) to 135 CE (and ending no sooner)." Josephus ties *all* the seditious activity throughout the first century (an...
by John2
Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Peter & James & the Church of Jerusalem not Christian?
Replies: 43
Views: 4724

Re: Peter & James & the Church of Jerusalem not Christian?

Bernard, You wrote: "And I never said Hegesippus presented James as being not a Christian. He certainly tried very hard to do so!" I got the impression that you did from the brief statement about Hegesippus in your opening link: "Despite being written in the 2nd century, and greatly embellished with...
by John2
Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Peter & James & the Church of Jerusalem not Christian?
Replies: 43
Views: 4724

Re: Peter & James & the Church of Jerusalem not Christian?

Bernard, Two expressions come to my mind as I consider your point of view. One is that you can't be a little pregnant. You either are or you aren't. And if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a duck. The author of James describes himself as a slave of the Lord Jesus Christ. He argu...
by John2
Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Peter & James & the Church of Jerusalem not Christian?
Replies: 43
Views: 4724

Re: Peter & James & the Church of Jerusalem not Christian?

Bernard, It sounds like we have a similar view for the most part on the provenance of the Letter of James, because even though I'm comfortable with the possibility that it could have been written by James, I'm equally comfortable with the idea that it was written by one of his followers (and before ...