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by John2
Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Mark and Luke?
Replies: 38
Views: 7825

Re: Why Mark and Luke?

Paul does mention being in three shipwrecks in 2 Cor. 11:25-26: "three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been ... in danger at sea..." Yet commentaries to this say: "Not one of these shipwrecks is narrated in the Acts. The ...
by John2
Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Mark and Luke?
Replies: 38
Views: 7825

Re: Why Mark and Luke?

Stephen wrote: "It is also curious that Marcion is said to be a "ship-owner" and the we passages being associated with sea travel and being backhanded evidence for his intimacy with Paul. What are the odds of that?" Since Luke appears to have used Josephus, maybe the sea travelling in Acts could hav...
by John2
Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jesus?
Replies: 69
Views: 13556

Re: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jes

I haven't seen any arguments for that sense in Rom. 16:11, only for countryman or relative, and I've seen other references to Herod's "kinsmen" (in translation) with the latter sense, e.g., "certain of the king's relations (for some of those that were among them were Herod's kinsmen) should be put t...
by John2
Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jesus?
Replies: 69
Views: 13556

Re: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jes

Charles,

Does Jones argue for this sense for Herodion in Rom. 16:11?
by John2
Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jesus?
Replies: 69
Views: 13556

Re: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jes

Charles Wilson wrote: "AHM Jones, Herods of Judaea, tells of the Greek Court ordered in the following manner: "Friends", "Honored Friends", "Guards of the Realm" and the highest ranking, "Kinsmen". Herod ordered his Court by this Classification System (Josephus, quote on request...) and it may be a ...
by John2
Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jesus?
Replies: 69
Views: 13556

Re: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jes

Regarding the identity of Herodion and whether he was Paul's relative or fellow countryman, Holland writes, "The greeting gives little away about Herodion. Indeed, the virtual silence supports the view that he was a blood relative as there seems to be little point in Paul isolating one of has many c...
by John2
Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jesus?
Replies: 69
Views: 13556

Re: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jes

Bird talks about Aristobulus, Herodion, Narcissus and their possible connection to the Herodian dynasty here (though he sees Herodion as a Herodian slave rather than as Aristobulus's son): https://books.google.com/books?id=pU0VCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA29-IA4&dq=herodion+little+herod+paul&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEw...
by John2
Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jesus?
Replies: 69
Views: 13556

Re: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jes

And for what it's worth, Acts 13:1 mentions a Herodian in the Antioch Church:

"Now there were at Antioch, in the church that was there, prophets and teachers: Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul."
by John2
Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jesus?
Replies: 69
Views: 13556

Re: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jes

Then there are Paul's greetings to Aristobulus, "my kinsman Herodion" and Narcissus in Rom. 16:10-11: "Greet those who belong to the household of Aristobulus. Greet my kinsman Herodion. Greet those in the Lord who belong to the family of Narcissus." http://biblehub.com/romans/16-10.htm http://bibleh...
by John2
Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jesus?
Replies: 69
Views: 13556

Re: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jes

And while there is discussion on whether or not the Epaphroditus in Paul was also Nero's secretary and Josephus' patron, Mason sees the similarity between the latter and Paul's companion on pg. 191 of Josephus and the New Testament, "This man [Josephus' patron] was not part of the old Roman aristocr...