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by John2
Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Spin, You wrote: "but you know how it is when you're committed to some interpretation, as the translation you're citing from does" For the record, I'm not committed to Eisenman's theory. While I think it is persuasive, as I said above I like looking at things from different angles and try to keep an...
by John2
Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

"But how do you get around the carbon dating?" It's not a matter of getting around the carbon dating as it is having the impression that it is not precise enough, and has too many variables (as the link I provided indicates) to dismiss the correspondences between what the Scrolls say and the first c...
by John2
Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

"If considerations of chronology are discounted then it is possible to consider whether Barack Obama authored the gospel. Eisenman's theory is on the same level" I think Eisenman's theory is more on the level with the idea that the gospels may have been written in the second century CE instead of th...
by John2
Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Stephan,

There is a lot more I intend to discuss, and no one is forcing you to read this thread if you don't like it.
by John2
Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Spin, That was an excellent response. Thank you. Since Maryhelena and I had agreed that the Kittim were the Romans, when I began this thread I was focused on the points that I think indicate that they were from the first century CE rather than the time of Pompey. I had felt fairly satisfied with the...
by John2
Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Spin, I appreciate your response. Regarding what you wrote about the brackets in the Nahum Pesher I cited: "The text actually looks like this: '[Interpreted, this concerns Deme]trius king of Javan who sought, on the counsel of those who seek smooth things, to enter Jerusalem. [But God did not permit...
by John2
Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

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Spin, Thanks for the response. Regarding the identity of the Kittim in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Nahum Pesher appears to distinguish them from the kings of Greece: "Interpreted, this concerns Demetrius king of Greece who sought, on the counsel of those who seek smooth things, to enter Jerusalem. But...
by John2
Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

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I recently noticed that the Talmud appears to tie Ananus' family and other "last priests of Jerusalem" to the riches and profiteering that Josephus appears to tie them to (where they are called the House of Hanan, i.e., Ananus, of whom Josephus says, "Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus prov...
by John2
Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

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I forgot to mention a third thing that indicates that the "exiled house" where the Teacher of Righteousness was "swallowed" belonged to the Wicked Priest (and refers to the exiled Sanhedrin), that the Habakkuk Pesher says Jerusalem was "where the Wicked Priest committed his works of abominations" (c...
by John2
Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 37692

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Another point of similarity between the Wicked Priest and Ananus is that the former "forsook God and betrayed the precepts for the sake of riches" (1QpHab col. 8) and is associated with "the last priests of Jerusalem" who "gathered riches and profiteered from the spoils of the peoples" (1QpHab col. ...