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by John2
Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 74340

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Stephan,

Matthew 22:15-16 ties the Pharisees to the Herodians:

"Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians."
by John2
Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 74340

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Stephan, I was thinking of Mark 3:6: "Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus"; and Mark 12:13: "They sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words." But I will take what you've said into consideration and I'm glad that...
by John2
Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 74340

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Stephan wrote: "The issue can in fact be explained in other - and IMO better ways than dragging in the Herodians. The Pharisees seem more likely to me to be the one's the Damascus Document (4:20–5:11) and other fragments (4Q269 4 i 3, 6Q15 1:1-315) have in mind in their attack against polygamy." I a...
by John2
Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 74340

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

In addition to the prohibition of niece marriage (which was practiced by Herod and Antipas, and not, to my knowledge, any Hasmonean), the DSS also prohibited taking a second wife while the first one was still alive, and connects these concepts to the law in Dt. 17:17 that forbids rulers from having ...
by John2
Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 74340

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Regardless of whatever DSS scholars have said or done, or whatever Stephan Huller may think, the allegation that I am Eisenman is false. Spin has given me some good reasons for re-thinking the common view that the Kittim in the pesharim were the Romans, for reasons I've summarized above. As I said, ...
by John2
Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Spin and the DSS
Replies: 36
Views: 9855

Re: Spin and the DSS

Spin, I appreciate your response. I'm enjoying thinking about the Scrolls from your point of view, and admire the amount of thought you have put into them. If you get a chance, I've also been wondering if you think the Spouter/Man of Lie is a different person than the Wicked Priest, and if so, who y...
by John2
Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 74340

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Spin has given me some serious doubts about the view that the term Kittim in the DSS pesharim refers the Romans. Perhaps it does refer to the Cyprian troops mentioned in 2 Mac. 4:29 and in time it became applied to the Seleucid army in general. Perhaps the eagle imagery the Kittim are associated wit...
by John2
Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 74340

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Regarding the recent appearance of two people named John on this forum (specifically me and John T), I don't know what to say other than that my name is John and I joined when I joined. Whoever else joined around the same time, and whatever topic they are drawn to comment on is something I have no c...
by John2
Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 74340

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Stephan, Additionally, I've cited other scholars on other relevant threads. When someone mentioned the DSS on one of these threads, it led me to discuss Eisenman's theory. When Maryhelena suggested that I start an Eisenman thread, I did. This is the first thread I've ever started on the internet, an...
by John2
Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eisenman and the DSS
Replies: 271
Views: 74340

Re: Eisenman and the DSS

Stephan, You wrote: "He seems to have so many "vague" remembrances of stupid things that Eisenman said and only Eisenman we can only be dealing with one person." If you are now implying that I am JohnT, I am not. In any event, I haven't mentioned any "vague" remembrances of anything Eisenman has sai...