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by John2
Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6992

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

robert j wrote: The use in James 2:10 is clearly associated with the Mosaic laws (Paul wrote very much the same in Galatians 3:10 and 5:3). However, in 2 Peter 1:10, the passage is all about faith supplemented by virtue, knowledge, self-control and brotherly love --- For this very reason, make every...
by John2
Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6992

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

To what doctrinal camp of Christianity would you place the author of 2 Peter? I suppose it was written by a post-70 CE Christian who was cool with Paul and Jewish Christianity ... to me it sounds like the author could have been a post-70 CE Nazarene Jewish Christian (or someone who was influenced b...
by John2
Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6992

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

The ironic thing is that the Ebionites, who rejected parts of the Torah, were the ones who rejected Paul entirely. I would say that Peter and James were proto-Ebionites in the sense that they did not approve of Paul's Torah-free gospel (if not Paul entirely ), and were proto-Nazarenes in the sense t...
by John2
Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6992

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

To what doctrinal camp of Christianity would you place the author of 2 Peter? I suppose it was written by a post-70 CE Christian who was cool with Paul and Jewish Christianity ... to me it sounds like the author could have been a post-70 CE Nazarene Jewish Christian (or someone who was influenced b...
by John2
Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6992

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

I would suppose that the opponents in 2 Peter are similar to the opponents in the letter of James, i.e., those who do not observe the Torah. 2 Peter 2:17-21: These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. With lofty but empty words, they appe...
by John2
Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6992

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

And just for the record, I disagree with Pritz when he writes (in the underlined part), "The two most significant things about this excerpt from the Nazarene work [cited by Jerome] are its positive view of Paul, and the refusal to bind Gentile Christians to keeping the Law ." I gather Pritz is refer...
by John2
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6992

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

Do you think the author of 2 Peter --- writing in the name of Peter --- was promoting Gnosticism with this language? No. The DSS use this type of language too and I gather they pre-date Gnosticism. And Paul is big on "knowledge" too (though in his case I suppose he could be called proto-Gnostic, pe...
by John2
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 21
Views: 9997

Re: Papias

MrMacSon wrote: I think there are a lot of inter-testamentary philosophies and texts that did not reflect Christianity but contributed to it ie. the scope and number of such texts are much greater than has been considered previously. Well, as I said, as far as 2 Baruch and 4 Ezra are concerned, if t...
by John2
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 6992

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

Should one interpret this verse in 2 Peter in a similar fashion as Justin Martyr’s push-back against Trypho’s claim that the Christ --- as a Christian messiah figure --- was a marvelous tale, an invention? That's how I see it. I think it would be odd if 2 Peter is refuting Gnosticism considering th...
by John2
Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 21
Views: 9997

Re: Papias

This would explain why Papias (or Aristion or John the elder or whoever else) were under the impression that the saying about the thousand branches and such in 2 Baruch pertained to Jesus (though perhaps it pertained to Jesus in the mind of the author as well). 2 Bar. 29:3-30:5: 3. ... the Messiah s...