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by John2
Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

Jewish Christians (including Paul) are called Nazarenes and continued to observe the Torah (including sacrifices) after Jesus' death in Acts, and this is in keeping with the Nazarene point of view.
by John2
Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

It espouses Torah observance How so? Acts 21:20-26: Then they said to Paul, “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. But they are under the impression that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to forsake Moses , telling them...
by John2
Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

. Most of us (me) would have just assumed that Acts was a romantic history developed from the orthodox POV. How does Acts support the orthodox point of view? It espouses Torah observance (including sacrifices) and calls Christians Nazarenes, just like Mark, Matthew and Luke. It seems simpler to me ...
by John2
Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

rgprice wrote: However, it appears that the writer of Acts was basing part of his narrative very closely on a source. It appears that that source contained no references at all to a human Jesus, even in places where one would expect such references. It doesn't appear that the second part of Acts was...
by John2
Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

I am not a mythicist per se but you have to be fair and give it to them for this observation about Acts. It is surprising how little the Jews and Agrippa know about Jesus outside of Paul. Agrippa may not have known anything about Jesus before Paul was arrested, but others in power were certainly aw...
by John2
Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

But its obvious that Agrippa is being told about an argument between Paul and the Jews from earlier in Acts. Is there evidence in those disputes that the Jews knew who Jesus was outside of Paul? Well, when Paul arrives in Jerusalem in Acts 21, James and all the elders tell him that "thousands of Je...
by John2
Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

I've already cited four things from the above (and other things in Acts and its overall context) and gave my reasons for seeing them as evidence that Jews (and Romans) had knowledge of Jesus before Paul. 5 “We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the wo...
by John2
Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

The point is, here Paul is being interrogated by the Sanhedrin, the very body who, according to the Gospels, sentenced Jesus to death, and there is no discussion about Jesus at all. Why doesn't John2/Steve Avery address THAT. Not the other garbage that he usually promotes. Just deal with that. I ha...
by John2
Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

rgprice wrote: The point is, here Paul is being interrogated by the Sanhedrin, the very body who, according to the Gospels, sentenced Jesus to death, and there is no discussion about Jesus at all. The Sanhedrin doesn't explain to Paul why Jesus was killed and why worshiping him is wrong, and Paul ma...
by John2
Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 20189

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

rgprice wrote: Paul comes into Jerusalem. He's preaching about Jesus. He gets apprehended, but not because he's preaching about Jesus per se, but about resurrection. He's taken to the Sanhedrin, where he talks about resurrection. The Sadducees attack him on the point of promoting belief in resurrect...