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by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
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Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

I see the Ebionite faction as a Jewish Christian reaction to the fall of the Temple, since they (unlike Nazarenes) rejected sacrifice. I see the situation as being like modern Judaism, with Orthodox Judaism still accepting the sacrificial laws and Reform Judaism rejecting them. The earlier Nazarenes...
by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 48831

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

Bernard wrote: These Ebionaens called Jesus "Christ" (=Anointed) because they thought Jesus observed the Law completely. They alleged that if they do just that, themselves will become Christs and therefore saved (when the Kingdom comes?). No, that does not make them Christians but ultra/hyper Jews. ...
by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 48831

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

to John2, Eusebius put the beginning of the Ebionite sect between 70 & 100 CE. Irenaeus wrote (around 180 CE) in 'Against Heresies: Book I, ch. XXVI, 2 "They [the Ebionites] ... repudiate the Apostle Paul, maintaining that he was an apostate from the law. As to the prophetical writings, they endeav...
by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 48831

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

Bernard wrote: I agree that during Paul's early ministry, there were churches in Judea which likely had adopted early Jewish Christian beliefs (these churches were probably created by members of the Greek dispersion: see Acts 8:1). But would that apply to the church of Jerusalem also? The "churches ...
by John2
Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 48831

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

robert j wrote: I think the letter James is clearly responding to Paul, but is not “anti-Pauline”. But rather, the letter attempts to put Paul in perspective, to correct misunderstandings of Paul’s teachings --- as did Paul himself. I agree, "anti-Pauline" might be too strong. James appears to hold ...
by John2
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 48831

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

Bernard wrote:
James was a pillar of the "church" of Jerusalem, but that does not mean that "church" was Christian then.
That's not my impression given what Paul says in Gal. 1:22:
I was personally unknown, however, to the churches of Judea that are in Christ.
by John2
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 48831

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

Bernard wrote: So you think that the ones who thought the earthly human Jesus was plain and ordinary are Christians? Yes. Hippolytus describes it this way in RH 7.22: They live conformably to the customs of the Jews, alleging that they are justified. according to the law, and saying that Jesus was j...
by John2
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 48831

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

Consider what Eusebius says about it in that light, since he lumps it with other "disputed" writings that I consider to be Jewish Christian in EH 3.25.3-5 (Jude, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, the Shepherd of Hermas, the Didache, Revelation, and the Gospel of the Hebrews): 3. Among the disputed writings, wh...
by John2
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 48831

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

Of what significance is the quite late appearance of the James letter in the record? The James letter is not to be found in any 2nd or 3rd century canon list, and no Christian writer cites the letter or even clearly alludes to it before Origen mentions the letter in his Commentary on Matthew. The l...
by John2
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Replies: 234
Views: 48831

Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.

Bernard, Do you suppose though that anyone would have wanted "Christianize" any of these opponents writings had there been any? For me it's hard to imagine, and I see the "Christianizing" of James in the same light. I know you are asking Bernard, but I regard any potential Christianizing of James a...