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by John2
Fri May 10, 2019 2:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Non-Markan Matthews
Replies: 14
Views: 1201

Re: Non-Markan Matthews

Okay, but what I am saying is that, even quite apart from the suspected sequence, you are going to have to decide on what counts as Matthew without Mark. In the case of the temptations, a strict interpretation would remove the context but leave the three temptations themselves. A more lenient inter...
by John2
Fri May 10, 2019 12:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Non-Markan Matthews
Replies: 14
Views: 1201

Re: Non-Markan Matthews

You would have to make some decisions about what counts as Matthew without Mark. Do the three temptations count, for example? On the one hand, Mark has a temptation story; on the other, Mark lacks the specific content of the temptations. Did canonical Matthew get that from Mark and expand it, or di...
by John2
Fri May 10, 2019 12:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Non-Markan Matthews
Replies: 14
Views: 1201

Re: Non-Markan Matthews

As you know, I have these three laid out elsewhere in the forum, if that helps at all: Gospel of the Ebionites . Gospel of the Hebrews . Gospel of the Nazoraeans . Thanks. That's where I got the Jerome quote from and I had intended to post those links earlier but didn't have enough time, so thank y...
by John2
Fri May 10, 2019 11:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Non-Markan Matthews
Replies: 14
Views: 1201

Non-Markan Matthews

I've been on board with the idea that Papias refers to the gospel of Matthew and that it was thus originally written in Hebrew and then translated multiple times into Greek. In my view one of these translations became the canonical Matthew, which I'm thinking was combined with Mark only in that part...
by John2
Fri May 10, 2019 10:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and Acts (for Andrew Criddle).
Replies: 14
Views: 1249

Re: Marcion and Acts (for Andrew Criddle).

Because it appears to use Josephus' Antiquities and Irenaeus is the first to mention it, I used to date Acts as late as c. 150 CE, well into the time of Marcion (c. 85 to c. 160 CE according to Wikipedia). But now I think Acts could have been written by the imperial secretary Epaphroditus who died d...
by John2
Thu May 09, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?
Replies: 85
Views: 9555

Re: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?

So given Jesus' pro-Torah position and opposition to Herodians and Pharisees (who were favored by Rome) in Mark, it's hard for me to imagine that Mark's intention is to vindicate the Romans who (like the Kittim) did not "believe in the laws of God" and "serve[d] stone and wood." Excellent point! "H...
by John2
Thu May 09, 2019 1:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?
Replies: 85
Views: 9555

Re: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?

So given Jesus' pro-Torah position and opposition to Herodians and Pharisees (who were favored by Rome) in Mark, it's hard for me to imagine that Mark's intention is to vindicate the Romans who (like the Kittim) did not "believe in the laws of God" and "serve[d] stone and wood."
by John2
Thu May 09, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?
Replies: 85
Views: 9555

Re: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?

I think that Josephus had Daniel in mind regarding the "ambiguous oracle" too, Ben (which is one of the reasons why I think the Dead Sea Scrolls are largely Fourth Philosophic writings, given the relatively high number of copies of Daniel and Daniel-related writings among them, as I note in your lin...
by John2
Wed May 08, 2019 1:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?
Replies: 85
Views: 9555

Re: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?

I think Jesus' whole messianic/apocalyptic/"son of-man"/"cut off Messiah"/Suffering Servant/gentle Zechariah king philosophy is a kind of Fourth Philosophy. It's just Jesus' version of it, one that ultimately seeks to accomplish the same end as other Fourth Philosophers, like Josephus says in War 6....
by John2
Wed May 08, 2019 11:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?
Replies: 85
Views: 9555

Re: Archeological evidence for the Flavian Hypothesis?

In my view, Mark simply took this Fourth Philosophic strife to a literary level post-70 CE and it doesn't mean that the Romans are good and Judaism is bad, as you seem to be suggesting . :facepalm: Why have you "face palmed" the bolded part? I get the impression that you think Jesus is opposed to J...