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by John2
Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Does Christianity Work?
Replies: 66
Views: 41726

Re: How Does Christianity Work?

It looks to me now that the answer to "How does Christianity work?" is essentially the same as the answer to "How does Judaism work?" They are both Torah observant (for Jews) and expect an OT-based Messiah figure and End Time from which some will be "saved" or resurrected and others will perish and ...
by John2
Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Does Christianity Work?
Replies: 66
Views: 41726

Re: How Does Christianity Work?

... which leaves only the combination of Josephite and Davidic roles into one figure experiencing two different advents as a true Christian innovation. That seems like a big "only" though. Oh, sure, I agree. Just saying, there are not as many innovations going on as may sometimes be thought. I supp...
by John2
Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Does Christianity Work?
Replies: 66
Views: 41726

Re: How Does Christianity Work?

... which leaves only the combination of Josephite and Davidic roles into one figure experiencing two different advents as a true Christian innovation.

That seems like a big "only" though.
by John2
Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Does Christianity Work?
Replies: 66
Views: 41726

Re: How Does Christianity Work?

The old Jewish Messiah thing would be about giving Israel back to the Israelites, conquer the World, populate it with Jews, andsoforth, if I am not mistaken. I would think that the people of that time would think that Jesus would do that, as any proper Messiah would Is/was there only one "Jewish Me...
by John2
Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Does Christianity Work?
Replies: 66
Views: 41726

Re: How Does Christianity Work?

When I was observant I did not care much for the prophets or End Time speculation so I primarily focused on the Torah. For me the prophets pertained to their times and I did not share the idea of a supernatural messiah figure and the resurrection of the dead and such. It all seemed (and still seems)...
by John2
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “For Mark was Peter’s Tanna”: Tradition and Transmission in Papias and the Early Rabbis
Replies: 3
Views: 2612

Re: “For Mark was Peter’s Tanna”: Tradition and Transmission in Papias and the Early Rabbis

This is a great reference, MrMacSon, and I would love to read all of it. In my view Christians were a faction of the Fourth Philosophy and as such they exhibit what Josephus calls "Pharisaic notions" like belief in the resurrection of the dead and tefillin and the reception of oral traditions (i.e.,...
by John2
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Happened?
Replies: 73
Views: 28166

Re: What Happened?

There's more to the Ketuvim section of the Tanakh than that - Only Josephus' arrangement of the books that all Jews thought contained "divine doctrines" is different, is all. The arrangement of the books may not have been finalized by his time. And, as quoted before, After the Romans destroyed the ...
by John2
Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Happened?
Replies: 73
Views: 28166

Re: What Happened?

MrMacSon wrote: Significantly, there is no scholarly consensus as to when the Hebrew Bible canon was fixed: some scholars argue that it was fixed by the Hasmonean dynasty, while others argue it was not fixed until the second century CE or even later. Jacob Neusner has argued the notion of a biblical...
by John2
Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Happened?
Replies: 73
Views: 28166

Re: What Happened?

Come on, Ben, what do YOU think happened?