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by rakovsky
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions (SOLVED)
Replies: 6
Views: 11079

Re: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions

I take the answer to #4 to be C, referring to a future apocalyptic period. The Christ's standpoint in Ode 42 when the persecutors are dead is some time after Christ's Resurrection, because He says that He "rose" in the past tense. While it is literally true that the persecutors would be dead if the ...
by rakovsky
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ
Replies: 68
Views: 42865

Re: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ

There are parallels to ancient interpretations of the Psalms of David, where David is always in one sense the author but he speaks in the name of various persons sometimes changing within a given Psalm. One I came across not long ago is the Targum to Psalm 91 ( link ), which has been reframed as a ...
by rakovsky
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions (SOLVED)
Replies: 6
Views: 11079

Re: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions

For Question 4 about the death of the persecutors in Ode 42, it's worth noting that Ode 23 apparently refers to an apocalyptic vision of the persecutors becoming extinct when God's thought like a letter descended: Walk in the knowledge of the Lord, and you will know the grace of the Lord generously;...
by rakovsky
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ
Replies: 68
Views: 42865

Re: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ

Lord does seem to be used in the Odes as a title of Christ Ode 42 I extended my hands and approached my Lord, for the expansion of my hands is His sign. And my extension is the upright cross, that was lifted up on the way of the Righteous One. (Some of these are probably more clear-cut than others)...
by rakovsky
Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions (SOLVED)
Replies: 6
Views: 11079

Re: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions

For Question 3 about whether Ode 42 is spoken from the POV of the composer or of Christ or switches Voices, John Morgan Wynne gives the best answer below, explaining how it changes Voices: Here are writers saying that it's about Christ: William Adler, in his talk on Syrian Christianity, said: In Ode...
by rakovsky
Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions (SOLVED)
Replies: 6
Views: 11079

Re: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions

For Question 2 about whether Ode 34 is Gnostic, it reflects a Platonic idea that shows up in Philo's thought as well as later in esoteric Greek Hermetic thought. Something like this shows up in the Gnostic Gospel of Philip, but less clearly so. J.T. Marshall writes in "The Odes and Philo": The basis...
by rakovsky
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions (SOLVED)
Replies: 6
Views: 11079

Re: THE ODES OF SOLOMON (1st - 3rd century AD) Questions

(QUESTION 1: SOLVED) Why does Ode 25 say that the narrator removed his garments of skin? Is this referring to the resurrection? Charlesworth's translation of Ode 25 includes: 5. But I was despised and rejected in the eyes of many, and I was in their eyes like lead. 6. And I acquired strength from Y...
by rakovsky
Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: TESTAMENT OF ABRAHAM (1st-2nd century) Questions (SOLVED)
Replies: 3
Views: 9068

Re: TESTAMENT OF ABRAHAM (1st-2nd century) Questions

To answer the opening question in the thread, my conclusion is that the Testament of Abraham is probably a Christian document whose "Recension B" has fewer stylistically Christian expressions. This is because Recension A is probably closer to the original text due to it containing necessary elements...
by rakovsky
Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: TESTAMENT OF ABRAHAM (1st-2nd century) Questions (SOLVED)
Replies: 3
Views: 9068

Re: TESTAMENT OF ABRAHAM (1st-2nd century) Questions

Arguments that the Testament was originally a non-Christian work: 1. Rescension B could be the original, nonChristian version because 1A. It is shorter (although it could be a shortened version of Rescension A) 1B. Charlesworth writes: "There are also fewer late words" in it. "B lacks most of the l...
by rakovsky
Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: TESTAMENT OF ABRAHAM (1st-2nd century) Questions (SOLVED)
Replies: 3
Views: 9068

Re: TESTAMENT OF ABRAHAM (1st-2nd century) Questions

You can find Versions 1 (AKA Recension A the long version) and Version 2 (AKA Recension B, the short version) of the Testament of Abraham here: https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/009/0090083.htm https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/009/0090084.htm R. Bauckham makes a list of works that some schola...