Search found 83 matches

by Nathan
Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?
Replies: 322
Views: 108671

Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

Yes Jastrow does have club but I still want to see other passages which have this meaning. I think it is a perplexing passage. Yoma has branches. I don't see another example of club. Jastrow's only example of 'clubs' is this passage as far as I can see. I think Numbers 25 is the precedent. Jastrow ...
by Nathan
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?
Replies: 322
Views: 108671

Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

I think you or anyone else would be hard pressed to find an example of גזירי meaning 'clubs.' It's a stretch. גזירה = decree. It means something cut off or something which cuts off. But club or clubs is a real stretch. I think it might have been translated like this because one can describe branche...
by Nathan
Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 109564

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c1/a8/1f/c1a81f03c083d007dfc6e730a9adefe0.jpg I find it interesting to note that, besides Marcion in the 140's, Philemon isn't used by anyone else until the 4th century. The same with 3 John . It bears mentioning that Philemon was in fact used already by Origen, e.g.,...
by Nathan
Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Born of a woman (as an idiomatic expression).
Replies: 11
Views: 9491

Re: Born of a woman (as an idiomatic expression).

ילוד is also the likely first part of the gnostic 'Ialdabaoth' creature. Odd that the Greek translates this 'born' when 'child' is more appropriate. In a rush. The Greek translation is not a problem. y e lud is a passive participle from the verb yalad , meaning "to bear, bring forth, beget," hence ...
by Nathan
Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:26 am
Forum: Muslim Texts and History
Topic: sentenced to death for atheism’
Replies: 137
Views: 236359

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

My main point stands: without the frivolous US invasion of Iraq, we would have no IS and no widespread Islamic terrorism of this kind today. I don't know that I would I agree with this in its entirety, since it's not simply US (or the broader western) foreign policy that compels ISIS and other grou...
by Nathan
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the Destruction of Jerusalem Proof of Jesus the God's Existence?
Replies: 42
Views: 19156

Re: Was the Destruction of Jerusalem Proof of Jesus the God's Existence?

... the circle of R Ishmael makes clear there are two gods. That is untrue, Stephan. At least one book attributed to the school of R. Ishmael (the Mekhilta de-Rabbi Ishmael) explicitly repudiates that doctrine. Mekhilta Bahodesh 5, for instance: Scripture ... would not let the nations of the world ...
by Nathan
Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:31 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Were the ancient Jews nomads?
Replies: 13
Views: 13651

Re: Were the ancient Jews nomads?

My first post discussed John_Van_Seters ... It's ridiculous to even think that he wouldn't be aware of the old articles you quote - yet here we are. And yet Van Seters apparently restates claims that were already addressed by Free's article. Doesn't that make you wonder about "incontestably identif...
by Nathan
Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:38 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Were the ancient Jews nomads?
Replies: 13
Views: 13651

Re: Were the ancient Jews nomads?

The evidence from Egypt does not attest to their use as beasts of burden, which is the major focus of the tales in Genesis. Free suggests otherwise: [M]any of the items which have been cited in this paper give testimony not only of camels but domesticated camels [his emphasis]. He refers, for examp...
by Nathan
Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:27 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Were the ancient Jews nomads?
Replies: 13
Views: 13651

Re: Were the ancient Jews nomads?

The camel anachronism issue is well known ... The persistence of this claim is unfortunate. (It was even referenced in recent years on the sitcom The Big Bang Theory .) The claim was refuted more than seventy years ago by Joseph Free, in his article "Abraham's Camels," in the Journal of Near Easter...
by Nathan
Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:28 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Mourners for Zion
Replies: 5
Views: 5415

Re: Mourners for Zion

So whether or not there is any direct relationship between the post-70 CE Mourners for Zion and the pre-70 CE Dead Sea Scrolls sect and Jewish Christians, they appear to have at least been cut from the same cloth and were opposed by Rabbinic Judaism I don't know that it's safe to say the Mourners w...