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by Nathan
Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:28 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Mourners for Zion
Replies: 5
Views: 6100

Re: Mourners for Zion

So whether or not there is any direct relationship between the post-70 CE Mourners for Zion and the pre-70 CE Dead Sea Scrolls sect and Jewish Christians, they appear to have at least been cut from the same cloth and were opposed by Rabbinic Judaism I don't know that it's safe to say the Mourners w...
by Nathan
Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Do Christians Think the Psalms Are Prophetic?
Replies: 45
Views: 17178

Re: Why Do Christians Think the Psalms Are Prophetic?

Greeks could read and quote Homer as a work of relevance to questions of how they lived day to day. Could you elaborate on this point a bit? I'm not sure I follow. I'm aware of the use of Homeric lines for charms and amulets, particularly within the Greek Magical Papyri, but then I'm not sure that ...
by Nathan
Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Do Christians Think the Psalms Are Prophetic?
Replies: 45
Views: 17178

Re: Why Do Christians Think the Psalms Are Prophetic?

Neil, I'm not sure I'd agree with everything you've said thus far. To my knowledge, the ancients (Jewish and Christian) believed biblical prophecy was always predictive, while it was the language or mode of prediction that changed or varied.* Some prophecy was self-evidently predictive, such as the ...
by Nathan
Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Do Christians Think the Psalms Are Prophetic?
Replies: 45
Views: 17178

Re: Why Do Christians Think the Psalms Are Prophetic?

There seems to be a Jewish exegetical continuum that Christians viewed themselves as being part of. I think that's correct. Like the Qumranites and the Christians later on, rabbinic Jews also took the supposed prophetic character of the Psalms for granted. The Targum Psalms sometimes has David writ...
by Nathan
Mon May 29, 2017 4:14 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ba'al and Yahweh.
Replies: 12
Views: 11306

Re: Ba'al and Yahweh.

This involves describing the departing of Ba'al and the response of the other gods in ways deliberately modeled on the Ugarit liturgy for mourning the death of the (human) king. The background to this appears to be a parallel drawn between the disappearance and return of Ba'al and the replacement o...
by Nathan
Wed May 17, 2017 4:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The great feast or wedding feast.
Replies: 12
Views: 6050

Re: The great feast or wedding feast.

Third (C), one of the wedding guests (only one??) happens to have arrived without the proper attire and is summarily given the maximum penalty, despite having been literally dragged in off the streets. How many people would be wearing wedding attire in such an impromptu situation? FWIW Ecclesiastes...
by Nathan
Thu May 11, 2017 1:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A mythicohistorical (hybrid) approach to Christian origins.
Replies: 176
Views: 68540

Re: A mythicohistorical (hybrid) approach to Christian origi

Ba'al [/b] Yahweh [/b] Jesus [/b] sometimes regarded as a son of El sometimes regarded as a son of El regarded as the son of God rider upon the clouds rider of a chariot of clouds comes with/on the clouds a storm god a storm god stills a storm conquers the sea conquers the sea treads upon the sea d...
by Nathan
Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Interpretation of Sukkah 52a
Replies: 12
Views: 8008

Re: The Interpretation of Sukkah 52a

On the more general point about Messiah ben David's request for life in Suk 52a, Himmelfarb interprets this request ... Neil, just out of curiosity, does Himmelfarb accept that the Ben David pericope in Sukkah 52a is from the tannaitic era? It's written in Hebrew, meaning it's supposedly tannaitic ...
by Nathan
Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Interpretation of Sukkah 52a
Replies: 12
Views: 8008

Re: The Interpretation of Sukkah 52a

It's the Messiah ben David who receives eternal life in the targum on Psalm 21. O Lord, in your strength the King Messiah reigns ... You have given him the desire of his soul ... He asked of you everlasting life; you gave him length of days, for ever and ever. (The designation "King Messiah" is rese...
by Nathan
Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Would a Patripassian Gospel Look Like?
Replies: 73
Views: 18710

Re: What Would a Patripassian Gospel Look Like?

...there is gradation of inspiration is Judaism, Torah most inspired, prophets a little less, ketuvim a lot less. Daniel being in the ketuvim is a partial rejection in and of itself (as a fundie Christian would see it if he knew any of this) because its a denial of plenary inspiration. The idea of ...