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by Stefan Kristensen
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)
Replies: 40
Views: 20001

Re: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)

Secret Alias wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:20 am
Origen makes a connection with the parable of the vineyard with the 11th hour = the resurrection
Interesting, thanks. Do you remember where? (And please don't call people idiots, that's not very nice at all!)
by Stefan Kristensen
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)
Replies: 40
Views: 20001

Re: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)

Talking about SALT, Why does the story of Elijah put emphasis on Sodium Chloride. 2 Kings 2:20 - And he said, Bring me a new cruse , and put salt therein. And they brought it to him. 2 Kings 2:21 - And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the...
by Stefan Kristensen
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)
Replies: 40
Views: 20001

Re: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)

It is clear that the story of Elijah is not exclusive too the Old Testament, because OVID was also aware and wrote down a version. Ovid, Metamorphoses 2. 319 ff (trans. Melville) (Roman epic C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) : Phaethon, driving the chariot of the Helios, was struck down by the thunderbolt of...
by Stefan Kristensen
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Hosea 6:1-2, 1 Corinthians 12, and their connection to Osiris and Dionysus
Replies: 4
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Re: Hosea 6:1-2, 1 Corinthians 12, and their connection to Osiris and Dionysus

Hosea 6:1: Come, let us return to the LORD. For He has torn us to pieces, but He will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bind us up. After two days He will revive us; on the third day He will raise us up, that we may live in His presence. I've mentioned before that this verse reminds me of the...
by Stefan Kristensen
Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)
Replies: 40
Views: 20001

Re: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)

Ok, to sum up: Acts indicates that prayers were done in the sixth and ninth hour. That it was an early Christian practice to pray in the third, sixth and ninth hour is indicated in early Christian literature such as Clement and Tertullian. The text of Tertullian on fasting quoted above by Stephan Hu...
by Stefan Kristensen
Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)
Replies: 40
Views: 20001

Re: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)

Well, if Jesus' cry on the cross is an "urban legend", then the whole of Mark's story is an urban legend. I suppose we could call it that. But I never considered 2 Kings 2:12 a possible background for Mark 15:34, thanks for that. Also, Elisha's "tearing his (old) clothes in two pieces" is interesti...
by Stefan Kristensen
Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)
Replies: 40
Views: 20001

Re: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)

... On the hours of prayer in Tertullian On Fasting: In like manner they censure on the count of novelty our Stations as being enjoined; some, moreover, (censure them) too as being prolonged habitually too late, saying that this duty also ought to be observed of free choice, and not continued beyon...
by Stefan Kristensen
Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)
Replies: 40
Views: 20001

Re: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)

2 Kings 2:12, Elisha is crying to Elijah, but he refers to him as 'Father', even though his father according to 1 Kings 19:16 was Shaphat, similar confusion in the New Testament, with Jesus being the son of 'Eli' and 'Joseph, see Luke 3:23. I think Elisha is shouting to God, not to Elijah. The firs...
by Stefan Kristensen
Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)
Replies: 40
Views: 20001

Re: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)

Where can I learn of Goodacre's hypothesis? The hypothesis originates with Goulder (whom I have read) and Trocmé (whom I have not). But Goodacre summarizes and expands it a bit here: http://markgoodacre.org/swan.pdf . ETA: Oh, and Goodacre also mentions Carrington (whom I have also not read). Thank...
by Stefan Kristensen
Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)
Replies: 40
Views: 20001

Re: "Eli eli" at the ninth hour is a prayer? (Mark 15:34)

Jesus was never citing Psalm 22:1, that is an urban legend and after the cry, the people said that he was crying to 'Elijah', this verse is a rewriting of 2 Kings 2:12 'And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father', for Mark was fulfilling Malachi 4:5 'Behold, I will send you Elijah'. Well...