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by Irish1975
Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:39 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ancient Judaism was not Exclusive
Replies: 4
Views: 9057

Ancient Judaism was not Exclusive

The Invention of the Jewish People , by Israeli historian Shlomo Sand, is a fascinating read. Chapter 3 cites a great deal of evidence that Judaism in the Persian, Hellenistic, and Roman eras was already a universalizing, missionary monotheism, long before Christianity. It converted large masses of...
by Irish1975
Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 112
Views: 60995

Re: Three Assumptions

neilgodfrey wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:35 am
[Paul] sometimes flatly contradicts what historical Jesus scholars say the historical Jesus did and that must have been part of the "Jesus tradition" Paul supposedly knew.
Curious what passages you are thinking of here.
by Irish1975
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 78
Views: 40073

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

The phrase in question is ὑπὲρ τῶν ἀδελφῶν μου τῶν συγγενῶν μου ("on behalf of my brethren, my kin," Romans 9.3). I have no actual statistics to tell me how common or uncommon such a construction is, but I can give examples of the same construction from elsewhere: μετὰ τοῦ κυρίου μου τοῦ βασιλέως (...
by Irish1975
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 78
Views: 40073

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

We would have to wonder whether he means fellow believers in Christ (hence, brethren) who are Jews like him, although still keepers of the Torah. And if that would be the circle that includes James, Cephas, and John.* It sounds like you are trying to make "the brethren of my kinsmen" mean "the bret...
by Irish1975
Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 78
Views: 40073

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

Romans 9:3-4a is critical for interpreting Romans 9-11, since it introduces the object of Paul's concern throughout the discourse: ηὐχόμην γὰρ ἀνάθεμα εἶναι αὐτὸς ἐγὼ ἀπὸ τοῦ Χριστοῦ ὑπὲρ τῶν ἀδελφῶν μου τῶν συγγενῶν μου κατὰ σάρκα, οἵτινές εἰσιν Ἰσραηλῖται For I could wish that I myself were accurs...
by Irish1975
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 48
Views: 43679

Re: The Canon

How do we know that all of those New Testaments (Tertullian's, Origen's, and so on) contained the exact same list of books? Without having consulted their texts specifically, I believe (but correct me if I'm wrong) that these authors generally or always cite the NT books under the same titles that ...
by Irish1975
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 48
Views: 43679

Re: The Canon

Thanks for this thoughtful and interesting response Ben, as usual. While I find the idea of a single influential publication, as in your #1 above, to be plausible enough, I do not think it dispenses with some of the other processes going on in the early church. So we have this book published in cent...
by Irish1975
Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 48
Views: 43679

Re: The Canon

Nice work! Thanks DCH.
by Irish1975
Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 48
Views: 43679

Re: The Canon

BeDuhn holds that the title "New Testament," which he wants to ascribe to Marcion, is otherwise little in evidence until the 4th century. But this seems to be wrong. We have already noted the anonymous anti-Montanist writer who explicitly refers to a written text as "the New Testament" in the late ...
by Irish1975
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The date of 2 Thessalonians.
Replies: 121
Views: 80742

Re: The date of 2 Thessalonians.

What was the outcome here of the discussion re the nature of the temple per 2 Thess. 2:1-4 (http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3460&hilit=hadrian&start=100#p98959) ? It seems to have been deflected by a discussion on the resurrection, or have I misread the thread? ( One post did ins...