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by davidmartin
Tue May 12, 2020 1:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 5562

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

consider that Marcion seemed adamant Paul agreed with him on opposition to the Jewish deity also that some gnostics seemed to use his works even the Sethian ones + the milder Valentinians also he had a reputation as the 'apostle of the heretics' could it be legends sprang up that Paul shifted his th...
by davidmartin
Sat May 09, 2020 2:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where Marcion and the Orthodox Tradition Agree: John Wrote the Canonical Gospels
Replies: 15
Views: 2575

Re: Where Marcion and the Orthodox Tradition Agree: John Wrote the Canonical Gospels

That's why i think Mark is a 'response gospel' to emerging orthodoxy from another camp that doesn't like what else is appearing The male disciples and Jesus family are undermined in Mark. That is one clue Is it because preachers from the disciples/family are active that the 'other camp' disagrees wi...
by davidmartin
Sat May 09, 2020 2:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch
Replies: 68
Views: 14333

Re: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch

Yep thats my view, its the undercurrent of his teachings
Some people want pious teachings, they get embarrassed by Jesus
by davidmartin
Fri May 08, 2020 8:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch
Replies: 68
Views: 14333

Re: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch

Johnt2, my point isn't to get into pro vs anti Torah. Jesus was about the heart of things so the real Torah
Just to show the various gospels are influenced by camps and the multifarious groups that existed in early Christianity all left their impression
by davidmartin
Fri May 08, 2020 7:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John the Baptist was interpolated in Josephus to distinguish him from the Samaritan Prophet
Replies: 46
Views: 21426

Re: John the Baptist was interpolated in Josephus to distinguish him from the Samaritan Prophet

well, the accounts in the gospels of Magdalene seem about reminding folk of her previous life kind of like branding her with the word 'whore' the effect of this is to deny her role afterwards as a leader and heavy duty person, although John's gospel seems to correct that a bit maybe the tension betw...
by davidmartin
Fri May 08, 2020 2:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John the Baptist was interpolated in Josephus to distinguish him from the Samaritan Prophet
Replies: 46
Views: 21426

Re: John the Baptist was interpolated in Josephus to distinguish him from the Samaritan Prophet

Guiseppe, agree with you, and that would make Salome John's wife? all i will say is when i read the gospels esp. John i keep seeing multiple 'messiah's being referred to and it all went down in the 40's the 'historical' John the baptist was not John and the 'historical' James the Just was not James....
by davidmartin
Fri May 08, 2020 2:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch
Replies: 68
Views: 14333

Re: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch

ok, but at the least the differences in the gospels reflect these camps
hence Matthew appears more pro-Torah than say John or Mark
by davidmartin
Fri May 08, 2020 1:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papyrus 20915 and Barnabas
Replies: 5
Views: 1440

Re: Papyrus 20915 and Barnabas

yep thats what i thought! its on my todo list to get the German and then well... i'd stump up the cash to pay for a german student to translate it, there's plenty around here i know one lady who could do it but she's constantly swearing, not sure i'd trust her to not put explitives in it that were n...
by davidmartin
Wed May 06, 2020 4:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch
Replies: 68
Views: 14333

Re: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch

Hi John, just thought i'd mention i'm not wedded to this theory and i get doubts about it but its better to have challenges! The problem I have with this scenario is that I can't think of any evidence that all Jewish Christians -or any Jewish Christian leaders- ever rejected Paul despite his differe...
by davidmartin
Wed May 06, 2020 2:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the "Jesus, son of Ananus" story a Parody
Replies: 3
Views: 1267

Re: Is the "Jesus, son of Ananus" story a Parody

Stuart this is several levels of detail beyond anything I've ever done with Josephus! But I can tell you when I read him there's a few places i'm gonna say its obvious he's taking a dig at Christianity's origins The various 'bandits' are disguising something else for one The story about the Roman la...