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by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 26075

Re: Who is John Mark?

interesting Ben, only just to add i didn't mean an early sayings source but an early source for deeds of Jesus,
did Mark get these from some proto-John source?
If I see Eusebius i'm going to tell him he totally fustrated me with his meagre quotes of Papias
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 26075

Re: Who is John Mark?

Didn't Papias only say that Matthew collected a list of logia, not write a complete gospel? It possible that the gospel of Matthew was so named because it was based on the sayings collected by Matthew in Aramaic? Papias also says something like they each 'interpreted them as best they were able' whi...
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Who is...?" No! WHAT is John-Mark?
Replies: 15
Views: 6243

Re: "Who is...?" No! WHAT is John-Mark?

"Mark has the stone being placed in front of Jesus' tomb but does have the spices being placed with Jesus. John has the spices being placed with Jesus but does not have the stone. It would seem that both would necessary in both stories. Mark would not want us to think of Jesus' body stinking withou...
by davidmartin
Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dating Paul and his Letters
Replies: 28
Views: 15016

Re: Dating Paul and his Letters

Ben has the antidote for all erroneous suppositions and flights of fancy i for one will not post my theories whenever he's online
by davidmartin
Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John
Replies: 16
Views: 6750

Re: The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John

ok, sounds interesting. i recon John's disciples thought he was a son of God or Christ or something like that, a bit embarassing maybe but nothing really too bad what would be embarassing is the idea John (or Jesus) was some pro-Roman stooge or leader of some violent rebels or a magician or whatever...
by davidmartin
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John
Replies: 16
Views: 6750

Re: The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John

The problem is that if John the Baptist existed, then he was a figure that the original author of Revelation had to mention. Even the clementine literature is against the followers of the Baptist, but not against the Baptist himself. Hence my strong suspicion in this thread is that the entire "Bapt...
by davidmartin
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John
Replies: 16
Views: 6750

Re: The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John

what do you mean as "deviant" for a Jew (pseudo-Clement) about another Jew (John)? I meant the Clementines are not referring to John the Baptist but another John. I didn't mean they are referring to 'John the Baptist' we are familiar with but are referring to some other John who may also have bapti...
by davidmartin
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was "Mark", just as Apollos, learned in paulinism?
Replies: 69
Views: 35270

Re: Was "Mark", just as Apollos, learned in paulinism?

i see where you are coming from
I see Marcion as coming after John and 1/2 John a bit of a later character, one iteration further down the line c 100 - 140
i don't see the John community being particularly pro-Paul like the Marcionites
by davidmartin
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John
Replies: 16
Views: 6750

Re: The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John

It is not strange at all. The Clementine literature hammers John the Baptist as leader of a deviant sect! Since Revelation is from that side of the church it's no surprise it omits John the Baptist Revelation and the Clementine 'Judaiser' faction are related This is a case of multiple John's. The re...
by davidmartin
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was "Mark", just as Apollos, learned in paulinism?
Replies: 69
Views: 35270

Re: Was "Mark", just as Apollos, learned in paulinism?

Right, you picked up correctly on my sense Guiseppe, but we differ here I do think we are talking about 'Christ' as a concept with different names (sort of, see below) the reason 1 John invokes 'anti-Christ' is to deny his opponents 'Christ', but in doing so admits they do speak about 'Christ' but t...