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by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius on the Ebionites
Replies: 362
Views: 71490

Re: Epiphanius on the Ebionites

well hold on Secret, there's various different criteria you can put theories up against... for me the literary sources (nt, gnostics, church fathers, non-canonicals, josephus) are so utterly contradictory and confusing that any theory that manages to explain this would be a miracle in itself, it jus...
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?
Replies: 206
Views: 74953

Re: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?

ah well you may be right, Lazarus fits quite well. A potential messiah candidate himself if you ask me Mary being the 'BD' doesn't really effect my own ideas too much, which has Mary 'doing stuff' for years afterwards as the main point, and having 'something' to do with John's gospel and a significa...
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius on the Ebionites
Replies: 362
Views: 71490

Re: Epiphanius on the Ebionites

what John is saying has been my assumption for a few years, that Paul was opposed by Cerinthus who was an apostle of the Judaisers and likely compiler/redactor of Revelation. The split between these two branches of the church was far greater than Acts admits, and the fact it admits anything shows ho...
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?
Replies: 206
Views: 74953

Re: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?

good questions! you could get there if there were a wish to minimise her role, just like Thomas gets a bit of a negative review if the cross and first witness were widely known traditions these events would have to remain it could be that 'mary' traditions, either within churches or expressed by com...
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?
Replies: 206
Views: 74953

Re: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?

Well, there's that textual analysis that has flagged some oddness in various places around the BD in terms of grammar and things, as if something has gone on here by a redactor. That's vague, I know. I'd never claim to be able to comment on this, I don't know Greek or have read up on this in detail ...
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: In what sense Mark (Judaizer) was a disciple of Simon Peter (docet Papias): an example
Replies: 31
Views: 9151

Re: In what sense Mark (Judaizer) was a disciple of Simon Peter (docet Papias): an example

OK, well I may be too casual in my terminology!
Maybe Mark wanted to appear docetic to counter some other belief.. such as maybe a focus on the man actually being incapable of separation from the Christ or similar. What I mean is the 'man' is somewhat devalued in docetic doctrine
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: In what sense Mark (Judaizer) was a disciple of Simon Peter (docet Papias): an example
Replies: 31
Views: 9151

Re: In what sense Mark (Judaizer) was a disciple of Simon Peter (docet Papias): an example

Giuseppe, I am doubtful of Jesus or anyone else on the cross saying 'why have you forsaken me'
It seems way too convenient as a psalm quote with many uses later on
Although it lends a totally docetic feel I agree, which may have been an early Christian belief in some circles
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?
Replies: 206
Views: 74953

Re: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?

I will observe for now that the final redaction of the gospel of John itself seems to have been written by somebody other than the beloved disciple, since several key texts speak of this disciple in the third person and imply that he is already dead (I am using the masculine pronouns for him becaus...
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?
Replies: 206
Views: 74953

Re: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?

Why do you date John the way you do? What does it for you? well, this is going to be unorthodox.. the gnostics talked about a female figure that generated the lower aeons. I see this as referring to an actual person and they are talking about mythologised history. there's some pointers for that. so...
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?
Replies: 206
Views: 74953

Re: 1 Clement & the Gospel of Matthew?

Papias preceded the gospel of John this doesn't necessarily contradict the dating of John to the 90's, if Papias in his youthful heyday was around that sort of time but he carried on with the traditions he received at that time. I can quite believe he didn't use John in his corner of the church but...