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by davidmartin
Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
Replies: 176
Views: 94046

Re: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again

I think it's more likely by the time of Acts the author wanted to present Paul and Nazarenes as grudgingly accepting each other (it's hardly presented as being without difficulty). But originally they didn't. Not so hard if Paul's letters are not widely known at that time only hearsay But it means t...
by davidmartin
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Examples the Church Fathers Would Have Used for the Plausibility of the Virgin Birth
Replies: 1
Views: 3552

Re: Examples the Church Fathers Would Have Used for the Plausibility of the Virgin Birth

SA, this is OT but it reminded me of something and i apologise for not better researching this... you must have read the infancy gospels which mention Mary there was one in particular that's been dated early, before 150AD. (was it the inf. gospel of James?) I think it parallels the beginning of Luke...
by davidmartin
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
Replies: 176
Views: 94046

Re: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again

John2 yes this description is what i find problematic Jesus is 'pro-Torah observant' - but what does that actually mean? I think in the context of Christianity it doesn't give sufficient information If you knew nothing else about Jesus and the history of Christianity you'd think the phrase would mea...
by davidmartin
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
Replies: 176
Views: 94046

Re: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again

There were/are "righteous Gentiles" and requirements for Gentiles in Judaism, but it doesn't necessarily follow that Jesus had a "Pauline style view on gentile converts." Paul said he did not receive his gospel to the Gentiles "from any man, not was I taught it" (Gal. 1:12), but by a revelation he ...
by davidmartin
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" a Markan invention?
Replies: 33
Views: 36527

Re: Is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" a Markan invention?

CW you paint a good picture but 'approved religious practices' what is this some committee? orderly i'm sure it was not! but what about mentions of the HS in Isaiah 'I will pour out my Spirit'. That right there's enough for a belief around it to spring up. Throw in some folks who say that they have ...
by davidmartin
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
Replies: 176
Views: 94046

Re: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again

John2, What I'm trying to suggest isn't that Jesus was ignoring the purity laws, not at all I'm thinking he had a less stringent attitude to them compared to his contemporaries The reason I think this is because he is portrayed in gospels as sometimes being accused of breaking these, and at other ti...
by davidmartin
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A NEW APPROACH TO AN OLD PROBLEM
Replies: 80
Views: 40186

Re: A NEW APPROACH TO AN OLD PROBLEM

Were the religious authorities Jewish? And if so - are you then putting blood guilt upon the Jewish religious authorities for wanting Jesus crucified? Methinks you've got yourself in a puddle here. Or are you really trying to suggest that no one at all was responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus i...
by davidmartin
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
Replies: 176
Views: 94046

Re: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again

But since Jesus was pro-sacrifice (Mt. 5:23-24) and Christians offered sacrifices (Acts 21) I think he and the original Christians paid as much attention to ritual purity as they did to the rest of the Torah. Jesus let the woman of the city wash his feet with her hair, drank from the same cup as a ...
by davidmartin
Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A NEW APPROACH TO AN OLD PROBLEM
Replies: 80
Views: 40186

Re: A NEW APPROACH TO AN OLD PROBLEM

''a subset of Jews''[/b] need to be named - otherwise your not saying anything of relevance to the gospel story. Some 'subset' of Jews tells us nothing about the gospel crucifixion story. That's OK if one is running with a historical Jesus - best to keep things very ambiguous, play safe so as not t...
by davidmartin
Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" a Markan invention?
Replies: 33
Views: 36527

Re: Is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" a Markan invention?

CW i think peasant Jews with a folk understanding of spirituality would absolutely be aware that there is a holy spirit this is a hallmark of indigenous and rural peoples to believe in this kind of spiritual reality as is seen to this day i struggle to see why people seek the origins of Christianity...