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by davidmartin
Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 25016

Re: Marcion's Gospel

interesting I wonder about the cliff edge narrative. its a bit like the execution of James who is thrown down from the temple. that is basically BS, no way would anyone be thrown off the temple like that. I just wonder, what with Lazarus if we have 3 executions in the gospel narratives. yeah Nazaret...
by davidmartin
Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
Replies: 22
Views: 8112

Re: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel

error. Moses and Elijah are required both because the editor will add the two thieves in their place, when the crucifixion will become an earthly one. The editor added Moses but Elijah was already there. Moses being there doesn't make sense except to make Jesus appear pro literal-Torah (he was pro-...
by davidmartin
Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Identifying Mary.
Replies: 1
Views: 713

Re: Identifying Mary.

Great idea a Mary thread About the Magdalene: The 'sinful woman' is immediately followed by a rare mention of Mary Magdalene, literally a couple of lines later This is verbatim from Luke: Simon answered, "He, I suppose, to whom he forgave the most." He said to him, "You have judged correctly." Turni...
by davidmartin
Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 25016

Re: Marcion's Gospel

has anyone got hold of Ephrem's commentary on the Diatesseron? i think you have to pay for it it has some anti-Marcion stuff in there including quotes and their arguments EG It says John's prologue originally said 'and the word became a body' not 'flesh' and this got changed to whack Marcion ! i sus...
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
Replies: 22
Views: 8112

Re: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel

Transfiguration simplified -It was only Elijah who was there + Jesus and disciples. Moses is surely not required for the narrative to work, but Elijah is Why? Because John the Baptist 'Elijah' has been killed and now they meet him again on the mountain When it is over only Jesus remains - he is now ...
by davidmartin
Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where Mark is surely not marcionite: Mark 4:11-12
Replies: 3
Views: 1082

Re: Where Mark is surely not marcionite: Mark 4:11-12

Here's how the gospel of Mark might have looked originally Note how Jesus is born during his baptism and using the Jewish meaning of days for years it's clear the wilderness is this world and the Spirit gives birth to him then and there. The beginning of the gospel of Jesus *Even as it is written in...
by davidmartin
Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where Mark is surely not marcionite: Mark 4:11-12
Replies: 3
Views: 1082

Re: Where Mark is surely not marcionite: Mark 4:11-12

A bit off topic i just noticed this - John the baptist is said "i baptize with water and after me he will baptize with the holy spirit" Then Jesus is baptized and the holy spirit comes to him So John does baptize in the holy spirit after all! I think there was an attempt to deny John had the same ba...
by davidmartin
Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Contextualizing Our Information About Marcion from the Church Fathers
Replies: 18
Views: 2284

Re: Contextualizing Our Information About Marcion from the Church Fathers

SA, Tertullian seems to say Marcion is purely docetic Christ appeared out of nowhere - and he says 'how?' No problem to a docetic to answer that - look at Paul's conversion, that's the incarnation right there and he's on earth in a body Tertullian only says it doesn't make sense because he thinks Je...
by davidmartin
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?
Replies: 22
Views: 2903

Re: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?

The concept of immanence plays into this i think all is occurring in one eternal moment, which mitigates against the need for future states except for teachers and prophets as reminders this is where you can find essentially Jewish thought in the gospel of Thomas, everything occurs on earth there, n...
by davidmartin
Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 25016

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Romans is a sort of anthology that is not really a letter hmmm, but not to get sidetracked it is theoretically possible that it was Marcion that introduced Paul's writings into the Catholic church. The interesting thing about that is the author of Collosians and Ephesians doesn't seem to be Paul, if...