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by davidmartin
Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I Don't Believe the Church Fathers About Marcion
Replies: 8
Views: 1217

Re: Why I Don't Believe the Church Fathers About Marcion

Dude, check this out.. Marcion got his teaching from 'Cerdo' so it's said Cerdo is obviously not a proper name but a hit job title meaning vixen or weasel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerdo_(mythology) ) It's obvious Cerdo is a female and probably relates to the gnostic Marcellina (From Latin Mar...
by davidmartin
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Who is...?" No! WHAT is John-Mark?
Replies: 15
Views: 2523

Re: "Who is...?" No! WHAT is John-Mark?

Very important point. As soon as the Prologue in John is finished, the entirety of the New Religion changes. Period. It is not the Story of a person challenging the Authorities or a Wandering Preacher. It is the Story of GOD. The Gospel Stories of the wandering "Jesus" don't matter in the least any...
by davidmartin
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 25602

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Both the nativity stories and the rest of the gospel are very much pro-feminist. So my prime suspect would be the same author for both. But I do not think that can be absolutely demonstrated. Maybe 2 different authors, both women, for the same Christian community, one lead by women (as deducted fro...
by davidmartin
Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 25602

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Well, maybe (in a figurative sense). But I do not think that Marcion himself was responsible for the contents of the proto-gospel; therefore, he may have simply republished it with a few changes and somebody else republished it with a lot of changes. I am not trying to be pedantic here, but our lac...
by davidmartin
Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 25602

Re: Marcion's Gospel

So your'e saying Ben the incipit to Luke should be read as... Since Marcion has undertaken to write this gospel about those matters which have been fulfilled among us, and since those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, ...
by davidmartin
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 25602

Re: Marcion's Gospel

true enough, although he does seem to go beyond just quoting Paul to basing his whole scheme on his letters but it's only a matter of degree i guess. wild times. i wonder if Marcion inspired Montanus in any way.
by davidmartin
Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 25602

Re: Marcion's Gospel

In my estimation Mark and Matthew are Nazarene in character (i.e., pro-Torah observance), and to judge from Papias they were being used by Nazarenes (or at least people who were friends of the earliest Christians, who in my view were Nazarenes), so they would presumably not have appealed to Marcion...
by davidmartin
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 25602

Re: Marcion's Gospel

hmm Luke appearing as a response to Marcion is an intriguing theory but people say Acts and Luke were by the same author, how established is that? do the similarities in style apply just to a redactor maybe of Luke being the same as Act's author Marcion presumably didn't have any hell references in ...
by davidmartin
Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 11012

Re: Who is John Mark?

The writing process is what dictates our perception of Matthew as more Jewish than the others. For example, Matthew uses a thematic overlay, depicting Jesus as the new Moses which by design gives it a more Jewish flavor. Moses and Jesus accounts have a story of the killing of the infants by the rul...
by davidmartin
Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 11012

Re: Who is John Mark?

Well, as Ben and I have been noting, while Mark does have Pauline elements, it is also pro-Torah, like the Nazarenes. So in my view Mark is as Nazarene as Matthew, and I would suppose that that was why they were combined in the NT version. do you think Mark and Matthew are equally matched and compa...