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by davidmartin
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The cross as symbol of creation and life in Gal 3:13
Replies: 7
Views: 4997

Re: The cross as symbol of creation and life in Gal 3:13

yes Guiseppe indeed this is some slender evidence for pre-Christian Gnostic ideas too if you go back far enough it resembles the descent of Inanna, but i'd still argue the original Christians exist as distinct from the later applications of this myth, they have to without anything directly tying the...
by davidmartin
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The crucifixion as form of death derived from the baptism of the god Jesus
Replies: 49
Views: 18945

Re: The crucifixion as form of death derived from the baptism of the god Jesus

Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. A good example of P...
by davidmartin
Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 7892

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

sigh ok fair points Mary M doesn't need such support i guess, damn thought i'd found something there, i hadn't thought it could refer to the Pilate wife episode which i'd forgotten about. but yes i do think that stuff is from later on but still a useful source, apart from the Maria the proselytite l...
by davidmartin
Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 7892

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

No, but i'd be interested in what he says. The impression I got was a lot of scholarship on them was early, reformation era almost and kind of set in stone
The thing is, the woman he mentions does look a bit like Pilate's wife dream i'll admit that
by davidmartin
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 7892

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

maybe or maybe not likely! why call her silly then? or not name her? especially when he doesn't blame any Roman in his line up he is also changing timeframe as he mentions her and begins to talk after the crucifixion. he also said 'dreams' not the singular. these points cast doubt on that. instead w...
by davidmartin
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 7892

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

It is worth pointing out that this extract comes from the epistle of Ignatius to the Philippians, universally acknowledged to be spurious and usually dated to century IV or later ha, even the 4th century is truly ancient and those opinions are essentially guesses. so, can't contain earlier material...
by davidmartin
Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 7892

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

And indeed, before the cross was erected, he (Satan) was eager that it should be so; and he "wrought" [for this end] "in the children of disobedience." He wrought in Judas, in the Pharisees, in the Sadducees, in the old, in the young, and in the priests. But when it was just about to be erected, he...
by davidmartin
Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A modern analogy to ancient Christian roots.
Replies: 19
Views: 9305

Re: A modern analogy to ancient Christian roots.

GDon, i want to give Markus a break here. what if he wasn't trying to enrich himself per se, the donations were simply to support his living expenses (rent, food, etc) so he could devote more time to seduction? Not having to work would free him up enormously. So this is simply a guy who is passionat...
by davidmartin
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once
Replies: 13
Views: 6983

Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

so you want you some Marcion, how about let the guy speak for himself? O wonder beyond wonders, rapture, power, and amazement is it, that one can say nothing at all about the gospel, nor even conceive of it, nor compare it with anything Quote apparently comes from a writer called Harnak from an old ...
by davidmartin
Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An Improvement Over Giuseppe's NUMEROUS 'Demiurge' Arguments
Replies: 6
Views: 3970

Re: An Improvement Over Giuseppe's NUMEROUS 'Demiurge' Arguments

Charles you make it sound like a gay sit-com, with feigned dislike concealing desires for erotic consumation