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by davidmartin
Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 11544

Re: Who is John Mark?

The writing process is what dictates our perception of Matthew as more Jewish than the others. For example, Matthew uses a thematic overlay, depicting Jesus as the new Moses which by design gives it a more Jewish flavor. Moses and Jesus accounts have a story of the killing of the infants by the rul...
by davidmartin
Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 11544

Re: Who is John Mark?

Well, as Ben and I have been noting, while Mark does have Pauline elements, it is also pro-Torah, like the Nazarenes. So in my view Mark is as Nazarene as Matthew, and I would suppose that that was why they were combined in the NT version. do you think Mark and Matthew are equally matched and compa...
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 11544

Re: Who is John Mark?

How do you reconstruct this primitive Nazarene gospel which predated Matthew? What are its indications? i don't have much! one hope is trying to draw on the clementine literature. the church fathers from memory talk of Ebionite gospels without virgin birth and it's possible Jesus in them had a far ...
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 11544

Re: Who is John Mark?

And let's factor in that the NT version of Matthew (in every manuscript and translation we have) is combined with Mark, as is Luke (which I think also used Matthew, as per the Farrer Hypothesis). Does this early harmonization not suggest that more or less all early Christians were okay with those t...
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 11544

Re: Who is John Mark?

haha yes, is it possible to put forward a basic premise though, that at some point the different gospels were in use by different churches? i can't believe that the gospels circulated like new Steven King novels and each church just stuck them on the bookshelf and started using them until the magic ...
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Who is...?" No! WHAT is John-Mark?
Replies: 15
Views: 2645

Re: "Who is...?" No! WHAT is John-Mark?

CW what do you make of Paul's correspondence with Seneca? People say it's spurious but when i read it, it struck me as very curious indeed http://wesley.nnu.edu/index.php?id=2220 SENECA TO PAUL, greeting I have arranged some writings in a volume, and given them their proper divisions: I am also reso...
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 11544

Re: Who is John Mark?

interesting Ben, only just to add i didn't mean an early sayings source but an early source for deeds of Jesus,
did Mark get these from some proto-John source?
If I see Eusebius i'm going to tell him he totally fustrated me with his meagre quotes of Papias
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is John Mark?
Replies: 84
Views: 11544

Re: Who is John Mark?

Didn't Papias only say that Matthew collected a list of logia, not write a complete gospel? It possible that the gospel of Matthew was so named because it was based on the sayings collected by Matthew in Aramaic? Papias also says something like they each 'interpreted them as best they were able' whi...
by davidmartin
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Who is...?" No! WHAT is John-Mark?
Replies: 15
Views: 2645

Re: "Who is...?" No! WHAT is John-Mark?

"Mark has the stone being placed in front of Jesus' tomb but does have the spices being placed with Jesus. John has the spices being placed with Jesus but does not have the stone. It would seem that both would necessary in both stories. Mark would not want us to think of Jesus' body stinking withou...
by davidmartin
Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dating Paul and his Letters
Replies: 28
Views: 9349

Re: Dating Paul and his Letters

Ben has the antidote for all erroneous suppositions and flights of fancy i for one will not post my theories whenever he's online