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by MrMacSon
Wed Dec 25, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

But why even mention that at all? Mentioning Paul sure, given the tradition of Markion and Paul, but why even bring up gMark unless their was a connection in the tradition? I made a suggestion of a possible explanation here Basically Hippolytus is arguing: i/ The Gospel tradition which Hippolytus, ...
by MrMacSon
Wed Dec 25, 2019 2:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Secret Alias wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:47 am
And why is this true than the Mark reference in Philosophumena?
truer?

I'm not sure why you want me to compare different texts by different authors in this way.
by MrMacSon
Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Secret Alias wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:51 pm
So whatever the Church Fathers say is true. Gotcha
Generally not, as you well know. But occasionally they slip up in their gaslighting, something you also know well.
by MrMacSon
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Further on part of the opening to book five of Tertullian's Against Marcion : .... we wish at once to profess that we shall pursue the same method here in the apostle’s case as we adopted before in Christ’s case, to prove that he ['the apostle'] proclaimed no new god; that is, we shall draw 'our evi...
by MrMacSon
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

edited : The end of the opening chapter - chapter 1 , of course - of book five of Tertullian's Against Marcion : If you challenge us to your belief, (pray) tell us what things constitute its basis. Either prove the truth of what you believe or, failing in your proof, (tell us) how you believe. Else...
by MrMacSon
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Justin Martyr tells us followers of Marcion were, in their time, called Christians - Justin Martyr, 1 Apology [/b] 26.5-6a, - . 5 And there is Marcion, a man of Pontus, who is even at this day alive and teaching his disciples to believe in some other god greater than the Creator. And he ... has caus...
by MrMacSon
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Several scholars in recent years have proposed Luke was written after Marcion ... Some/several - even many - scholars (some different to those who've proposed Luke was written after Marcion) propose that Marcion simply acquired the Euaneglion [euanglion?]. Some scholars talk about a proto- or core-...
by MrMacSon
Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

... why even bring up gMark unless their was a connection in the tradition? I think it's because Hippolytus is following a then contemporary (ie. contemporaneous) effort to misrepresent and rewrite the history of the early Christian texts and traditions, largely using Marcion as the fall guy. It ma...
by MrMacSon
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Regarding Hippolytus' remark about Marcion using Mark in RH 7.18: When, therefore, Marcion or some one of his hounds barks against the Demiurge, and adduces reasons from a comparison of what is good and bad, we ought to say to them, that neither Paul the apostle nor Mark, he of the maimed finger, a...
by MrMacSon
Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33759

Re: Marcion's Gospel

hmm Luke appearing as a response to Marcion is an intriguing theory Several scholars have, in recent years, independent of each other, proposed Luke (+/- other gospels) appeared after Marcion (though they may not be proposing Luke was 'a response' to Marcion). Jason Beduhn was one of the first, the...