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by MrMacSon
Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Irenaeus a Lady?
Replies: 10
Views: 16542

Re: Was Irenaeus a Lady?

... the first guy is dependent on a group of first through third century sources in his own tradition that are preserved in a far more unreliable manner than the Christian sources. This seems to be a strawman red-herring. " dependent on a group of first through third century 'sources' " ... a commo...
by MrMacSon
Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Historical Jesus scholarship
Replies: 14
Views: 21527

Re: Historical Jesus scholarship

Hi Eric, Bart Ehrman has written a number of very good books . He copped a lot of criticism for Did Jesus Exist? , some because he did not seem to appropriate use or address historical methodology and because he made a number of bare assertions. It was also interesting at the time that book came out...
by MrMacSon
Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Irenaeus a Lady?
Replies: 10
Views: 16542

Re: Was Irenaeus a Lady?

"The 'preservation' of [the works of] Christian writers from the 1st - 3rd centuries" is a separate issue to the preservation of works of contemporary Jewish writers other than where a topic of interest is discussed by both groups of writers. It is intriguing how many of their alleged works are know...
by MrMacSon
Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Historical Jesus scholarship
Replies: 14
Views: 21527

Re: Historical Jesus scholarship

Bart Ehrman has written many well regarded books about early christian writings. He coped a lot of criticism for Did Jesus Exist? including a multi-author book in response.
by MrMacSon
Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Historical Jesus scholarship
Replies: 14
Views: 21527

Re: Historical Jesus scholarship

'Authorities' generally have greater capacity to provide an overview of information in subjects they are authorities in, and to generally make better arguments around that information. But they still have to make good arguments - sound deductive arguments or cogent inductive arguments. That is where...
by MrMacSon
Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dewitness VS Earl Doherty (was: Historicity of Jesus...)
Replies: 28
Views: 33627

Re: Historicity of Jesus - the Talking Points

It seems the assertion that (to paraphrase?)
  • "Man was made in the image of God"
is really a reversal of, to me, the more likely proposition that ... gods were made in the image of man
by MrMacSon
Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dewitness VS Earl Doherty (was: Historicity of Jesus...)
Replies: 28
Views: 33627

dewitness VS Earl Doherty (was: Historicity of Jesus...)

The evidence actually shows that Doherty's claim was most likely invented and have no actual support in or out the Canon. In effect, Doherty cannot present any direct clear written statement by any writer of antiquity who stated that Jesus was not ever believed to be on earth and was crucified in s...
by MrMacSon
Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: documents concerning Jesus traveling to India and Kashmir?
Replies: 6
Views: 12389

Re: Historicity of Jesus - the Talking Points

I have seen vague references/mentions to Jesus having traveled to India & Kashmir. I have not seen anything other than that.
by MrMacSon
Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dewitness VS Earl Doherty (was: Historicity of Jesus...)
Replies: 28
Views: 33627

Re: Historicity of Jesus - the Talking Points

I find that Doherty's argument that Jesus was crucified in some kind of heaven or region of heaven to be hopelessly flawed and contrary to the evidence or the stories from antiquity about the Jesus character. Bskeptic answers that somewhat with a biblical quote in the OP of another thread Matthew 2...