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by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Letters as a unique Christian genre
Replies: 11
Views: 436

Letters as a unique Christian genre

Originally I wanted to title this thread something like "Ignatius as a competitor to Paul", and I may still do that, but while trying to formulate my thoughts I had a quick aside. Letters, epistles, ἐπιστολή, and letter writing was an especial genre in Greek and Roman literature. Seneca's ...
by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)
Replies: 30
Views: 2526

Re: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)

If I may self indulge a little bit, Pontius Pilate serves a functionary role in the Christian cycle. Is he historical? Yes, without question; but then what else would his purpose be if he was only used as a means of pinning Jesus's own historicity (which may or may not have been in question when the...
by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)
Replies: 30
Views: 2526

Re: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)

I can fully appreciate that Pontus Pilate was used for more allegorical symbolism for the Gospel(s) writer(s). His historicity is simply a convenient utility as well.
by Joseph D. L.
Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 95
Views: 2353

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Hey Joseph, Glad to see you back! Cheers DCHindley! It's good to be back. Overall I will say I have reluctance in trying to determine how people two thousand years ago thought. I'm not saying Giuseppe's reading is wrong in and of itself per say, but that from my narrow perspective he does seem to a...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 95
Views: 2353

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Giuseppe, are you saying that Ignatius is a witness to people who denied the historicity of Jesus? For one thing, if he is I don't see how that is an argument in favour of mythicism because the two, historicity and mythicism, are relatably different and demand two different categories of evidence to...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 1219

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

I'm not sure I'm following you. Paul thought that Torah observance was no longer necessary for Jews and calls himself Jewish, which makes his letters Jewish writings, and Marcion used them. And the Ebionite Matthew was a Jewish writing that was anti-sacrifice and largely unobservant, and I'm sugges...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 1219

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

I have serious reservations with following the timeline from any church father, especially Epiphanius. Not only is he writing in the 4th century, far removed from the scene of the crime, and he is not above making stuff up (like the Nazarenes antedating Christ). Might you be confusing Nazarenes (Ep...
by Joseph D. L.
Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 1219

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

That isn't what you said. Yes, it is. No it is not. You said: "So having access to and using a Jewish gospel wouldn't be unusual for Marcion (especially one that was largely anti-OT/anti-sacrifice)" The syntactic construction of this line reads that Marcion would use a Jewish Gospel that ...
by Joseph D. L.
Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Enough Criticism!! Why the naked slutboy in Mark 14:51?
Replies: 55
Views: 4015

Re: Enough Criticism!! Why the naked slutboy in Mark 14:51?

If the baptism theory is true then it tells us where “dying with Christ” begins: when Jesus is betrayed and taken to the High Priest. Thank you, that is an insightful suggestion here. Last but not least, perhaps there is a connection to Mark 2:20-21: The days will come when the bridegroom is taken ...
by Joseph D. L.
Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 713

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

Hey DCHindley. Long time. The only sources are the ones available to us. I am aware of no new discovery about Marcionism, so the only resources I have are church attestation and my own biased observations. Like you I think the Evangelion ascribed to Marcion is, if not fully fraudulent, then represen...