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- Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 11523
Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
Many will come in my name, saying I am Christ, and will deceive many. This commentary notes that 'Christ' in Greek means 'anointed' (well, one version - Χριστός (Christós) - does) - So these false prophets who Jesus is warning about are not saying, "I am Jesus." They are saying what most ...
- Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:48 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Oh, no! Not another thread about Richard Carrier!
- Replies: 28
- Views: 15651
Re: Oh, no! Not another thread about Richard Carrier!
I presume you mean John the Baptist .. with John the Apostle being a different John (+/- other Johns)outhouse wrote: I like ...a Galilean Aramaic Jew who was taught by John and took over his movement when he was murdered ...
- Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 11523
Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
Many will come in my name, saying I am Christ, and will deceive many. Is Jesus saying what we have been conditioned to believe him to be saying here, or is he saying nigh on the opposite? i.e., is he denying that he is the Christ? It's repeated in Matt 24:5, Mark 13:6,, & Luke 21:8. I take it t...
- Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 11523
Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
I believe Jesus was a (the?) leading member of a "Son of Man" cult. The term (בן–אדם - i.e. ben-'adam) occurs 107 times in the Hebrew Bible, mostly in Ezekiel - It is used in three main ways: (i) as a form of address (Ezekiel); (ii) to contrast the lowly status of humanity against the per...
- Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:44 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesus?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 11768
Re: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesu
There has been recent commentary that the Evangelikon is not "based on Luke with parts removed", but Luke is based on Marcion's Evangelikon As it stands now however, Luke has primacy. Stands where? By whom? JB Tyson (2006), in 'Marcion and Luke-Acts: a defining struggle ', argues Luke &am...
- Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:47 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
- Replies: 121
- Views: 66709
Re: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
From Ehrmans blog which is logic and reason you have never been able to refute, ever. http://ehrmanblog.org/question-about-eyewitnesses-and-the-gospels/ - " ...The eyewitnesses would have been Aramaic speaking peasants almost entirely from rural Galilee. Mark was a highly educated, Greek speak...
- Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesus?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 11768
Re: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesu
What is more probable? I think that the rise of docetism is more expected under the myth, because we have no examples in all the human history where a human being is seen ''docetically'' as lacking flesh and blood. Maybe only Buddha, and Buddha is a myth. Yes, docetism goes hand in hand with concep...
- Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesus?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 11768
Re: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesu
Marcion held Jesus to be the son of the Heavenly Father but understood the incarnation in a docetic manner, i.e. that Jesus' body was only an imitation of a material body, and consequently denied Jesus' physical and bodily birth, death, and resurrection. Marcion was the first to introduce an early ...
- Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:30 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
- Replies: 132
- Views: 78439
Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
I suspect some of the Pauline pericopes are Jesus ones, or have had Jesus inserted in them, and some are other-Christ ones. In my heady younger daze, I thought it could be the case that - when we encounter "Jesus" (without "Christ"), "Christ" (without "Jesus"...
- Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:15 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
- Replies: 132
- Views: 78439
Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
In verse 21 Paul states that resurrection has come by a man and he means Jesus Christ ... I disagree - the name *Jesus* is not mentioned anywhere in 1 Cor 15, and is not mentioned in the preceding two chapters either (ie. 1 Cor 13 & 1 Cor 14) - It's almost as if these are pericopes from a Chris...