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For example: Emmaus is the same place where Varus crucified many Jews.

Marcion was disturbed by the Gerasene cry "we are Legion" and probably he omitted the suicide of Legion into the lake because he didn't imagine that the Good God could desire revenge (at contrary of YHWH).

I differ from other mythicists insofar I think that: 1) there are traces of hate against the Romans in the first gospel (or its source). 2) these traces of anti-Roman hate are evidence of mythicism. While for other mythicists the replacement of the original killers (demons) with the Romans was only ...

It is a brute fact that exactly one of : 1. The talmud and the Gospels refer to the same Jesus 2. The talmud and the Gospels do not refer to the same Jesus Is true. it is relative to the thought of the people. For example, Strömholm would answer that 1 is true, while Ellegard would answer that 2 is...

RandyHelzerman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:38 am

Either way, the Talmud is asserting the existent of someone--it is not denying the existence of anybody.

But Abraham ibn Daud (d. 1180 CE) is using the Talmud to deny the existence of Jesus lived under Pilate.

Forget Carrrier for a minute in a discussion on the historicity of Jesus, you are inviting me to ignore the author of the book 'On the historicity of Jesus' . :lol: I go to memory, but in a note of this book, Carrier says that Jesus could be considered as lived on the earth in the remote past, and ...

Because in either case 1 or case 2 above, nowhere is there a claim that ANY Jesus doesn't exist! Are they the same Jesus? no. Well, then the Talmud is talking about a completely different person. It not saying anything at all about the Jesus of the epistles and letters. You continue to ignore the i...

Because in either case 1 or case 2 above, nowhere is there a claim that ANY Jesus doesn't exist! it seems to me that you don't like to deal with the logical implication of a Janneus's Jesus. Assume it. The implication is that the texts (i.e. epistles) preceding the first gospel were referred to tha...

Ryan Covington (Hume's Apprentice) concedes the absence of evidence of mythicist accusations (even if I disagree ) and yet he writes: A surprising post from M. David Litwa. I’ve asked a question (will post if he answers) about whether Marcion’s ‘cosmic Christ’ was crucified in the upper air or if he...

Klinghardt gives me reason on this point: The Markan report of Jesus’ baptism not only places the beginning of the Gospel into a framework of salvation history, it also provides the opportunity to have God himself proclaim the true identity of Jesus as ‘my beloved son’ (Mark 1,11). Compared to Jesu...

But the Talmud placed Jesus under Janneus. The Jesus lived under Pilate was a myth, according to that Talmudic tradition. Let me rephrase.....What is "Mythicism?" I'm trying to think of what Richard Carrier, Marcion, Robert Price, and the Talmud have in common, and its a riddle I just can...