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- Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:07 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
- Replies: 69
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Re: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
I note that Laura Knight-Jadczyk has arrived, even before Marchant, to the dangerous connection of Pilate with the crucifixion of Judas the Galilean: Because he always refers to Christ crucified, Christ on the cross. Apparently Paul had something pretty profound happen to him, so my speculation is t...
- Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:20 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
- Replies: 69
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Re: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
Returning to the topic and ignoring deliberately the Hasmoneanists :whistling: , I would like to comment this point of DCH: Whoever Maximinus' partisans chose from Josephus' account to be "Jesus" was likely a rebel or an unauthorized claimant to the Judean throne, not necessarily called &q...
- Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:25 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why "they glorified him" finds his origins in Vespasian's propaganda
- Replies: 2
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Re: Why "they glorified him" finds his origins in Vespasian's propaganda
Schmidt has suggested that the two criminals crucified with Jesus have a parallel with those who share power with the triumphator in Roman triumphs, as they would stand either side of him when he was acclaimed. However, he proposes that the motif in Mark is directed against the “self-divinisation e...
- Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:07 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
- Replies: 69
- Views: 11373
Re: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
Josephus's stories are not comparable at all to Gospel stories, sorry. If you are so blind to not recognize the difference, then, sorry, I would interrupt here the discussion.maryhelena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:57 am All you have is a story in Josephus. Just like we have a Jesus story in the gospels
- Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:42 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
- Replies: 69
- Views: 11373
Re: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
how dare you deny the historicity of Judas the Galilean?
- Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:40 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
- Replies: 69
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Re: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
A serious historian would keep to historical evidence. really do you consider equally probable (sic) the possibility that Judas the Galilean, after his revolt (because it is a historical FACT that he was a rebel against Rome) escaped miraculously to death ? If the answer is yes, then I consider you...
- Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:16 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
- Replies: 69
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Re: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
But a serious historian can very well infer it, given what we already know from Josephus.maryhelena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:05 am
Josephus does not say when, or how, his figure of Judas the Galilean died.
when: in the interval 18-26 CE
how: a Roman crucifixion, what else?
where: somewhere in Judea.
- Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:10 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
- Replies: 69
- Views: 11373
Re: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
Josephus does not state when, or how, Judas the Galilean died - it is pure speculation that Pilate executed this Josephan figure around 20/21 c.e. if you concede, contra Eusebius, that Pilate was ruling in 18-26 CE, then a probable victim of the his repression (during 18-26 CE) was Judas the Galile...
- Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:35 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
- Replies: 69
- Views: 11373
Re: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
As I wrote in my earlier post - Peter Marchant is doing fine with his argument over dating Pilate early. My problem is with his reasoning over Judas the Galilean....... You can't accept the first Marchant without accepting the second Marchant, since the only action made by a Pilate who ruled during...
- Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:04 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
- Replies: 69
- Views: 11373
Re: Peter Marchant: The Trouble with Pilate
It is not a mere argument from silence. As Marchant points out, it is basically impossible that the entire anti- Acta apologetics raised by Eusebius was reduced to say " Pilate didn't rule during that time ". Think about this: the Emperor himself promotes the diffusion of the Acta Pilati ,...