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That's interesting but doesn't change my view that Josephus (or any Jew) could have believed that Jesus was the Messiah while identifying as Jewish. I don't think the TF is genuine though, but even if it was, I don't buy the "a Jew couldn't have written it" argument. I do not think you ha...

I have a blog post from November 9. 2021 discussing Origen's claims that Josephus was unbelieving in Jesus as the Christ and did not accept Jesus as the Christ: https://kenolsonsblog.wordpress.com/2021/11/09/why-origen-said-josephus-was-unbelieving-in-jesus-as-christ/ Best, Ken Very nice, I enjoyed...

The earliest known extant work which claims that the Testimonium Flavianum is not the work of Josephus is Lucas Osiander Epitomes Historiae Ecclesiasticae Centuria I. II. III. (1592) Testimonium vero Iosephi de Christo ego omnino supposititium esse credo et ab aliquo sciolo ipsius libris interru. S...

In any event, I appreciate the Cohen reference and will read all I can of it here:


https://www.google.com/books/edition/Jo ... frontcover

I think the historical Josephus was a prominent Jew who wrote an Aramaic outline "Vita" that was developed in to "Jewish War" by Greek speaking "assistants" at a later date. cf. SHAYE J. D. COHEN : Josephus in Galilee and Rome : His Vita and Development as a Historian ...

And if this is the case, it would suggest that "called Christ" in Ant. 20.200 is original and not an interpolation (unless someone added it by Origen's time, which seems unlikely but not impossible, I guess).

This blogger suggests that "Origen is taking Josephus to task over what he regards as statements of unbelief on the latter’s part in the words 'called Christ,'" which seems nice and simple to me, but is there anything negative about saying that Jesus was "called Christ"? And even...

I don't think so, and neither did Origen ("though not believing in Jesus as Christ"), which seals the deal for me. But I take issue with the idea that Josephus "couldn't have" been a Christian (or written the TF) because he was Jewish. Early Jewish Christians didn't stop being Je...

Does Luomanen or anyone else argue that James' title "the Just" in Jerome's citation of the Gospel of the Hebrews comes from Origen? I don't recall seeing anyone suggest this. Maybe we are back to Origen reading into things, in this case the Gospel of the Hebrews. But then we'd have to sup...

Ben puts it this way in his thread: Now, it has been often observed that, in On Famous Men, Jerome heavily depends upon proximate sources, especially Eusebius, for his ultimate quotations from Josephus and other writers. Also, in chapter 3 of Recovering Jewish-Christian Sects and Gospels, Petri Luom...