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- Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:07 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
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Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Klinghardt gives me reason on this point: The Markan report of Jesus’ baptism not only places the beginning of the Gospel into a framework of salvation history, it also provides the opportunity to have God himself proclaim the true identity of Jesus as ‘my beloved son’ (Mark 1,11). Compared to Jesu...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 984
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
But the Talmud placed Jesus under Janneus. The Jesus lived under Pilate was a myth, according to that Talmudic tradition. Let me rephrase.....What is "Mythicism?" I'm trying to think of what Richard Carrier, Marcion, Robert Price, and the Talmud have in common, and its a riddle I just can...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:55 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
- Replies: 49
- Views: 792
Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
But....just when we got rid of one phantom gospel, we have to postulate another--an earlier version of Mark, which didn't have the baptism by John, and a lot of other things. True. Among the 'other things', in primis the Parable of the Vineyard, where the secrecy about the identity of the father of...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:13 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 984
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
that they could easily fit Jesus into and create a polemical narrative with. Abraham ibn Daud (d. 1180 CE ) would disagree with you, insofar he wrote: The historical works of the Jews state that this Joshua b. Perahyah was the teacher of Jesus the Nazarene. If this is so, he lived in the time of ki...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:39 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 984
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
you know the saying: "once thrown the stone, you can't hide your hand".StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:19 am Dating Jesus to the time of Jannaeus is a mistake,
as I have discussed elsewhere.
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:59 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 984
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
The following judgement by Richard Carrier about David Litwa is confirmed again and again: Litwa literally doesn’t know anything he is talking about. Yet he arrogantly—and dishonestly—represents himself as a studied expert. This is shameful and immoral—and extremely angering. Hands off Marcion! :x
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:32 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 984
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Litwa:
But the Talmud placed Jesus under Janneus. The Jesus lived under Pilate was a myth, according to that Talmudic tradition.
I’m on record as saying that ancient people never argued that Jesus didn’t exist. And I stand by this point.
But the Talmud placed Jesus under Janneus. The Jesus lived under Pilate was a myth, according to that Talmudic tradition.
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:10 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 984
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Note then the implicit logical fallacy by Litwa: if the Mythicists want to be intellectually honest, then they have to argue for some form of absolute Marcionite priority (i.e. anti-demiurgist Origins of Christianity). When all the efforts by Richard Carrier are devoted to show that mythicism is coh...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:03 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 984
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
I don't like the Litwa's post, frankly. The post seems to have been written by someone who knows only recently about the modern mythicist interest for Marcion (and *Ev's priority) and talks about it as of a modern trend. When really all the past mythicists had assumed already the *Ev's priority over...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:52 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 984
Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Note how Litwa feels the moral duty of accusing the Mythicists of anti-Christianity, as if this only fact has to mean something. I find this quite fascinating, because this early Marcionite mythicism has the opposite purpose as modern atheistic mythicism. Modern mythicism aims, as far as I can tell,...