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by hakeem
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The start of the Jesus story
Replies: 244
Views: 95052

Re: The start of the Jesus story

The earliest version of the story of Jesus is found in the short gMark composed sometime after the works of Josephus or at least no earlier than c 96 CE. It is extremely important to understand that the author of gMark wrote nothing about a post-resurrection visit by Jesus to the apostles and the co...
by hakeem
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Muratorian Canon on Acts
Replies: 8
Views: 2991

Re: The Muratorian Canon on Acts

How do we reconcile all these statements: Acta autem omnium apostolorum sub uno libro scripta sunt. Lucas "optimo Theophilo" comprehendit, quae sub praesentia eius singula gerebantur, sicut et remote passionem Petri evidenter declarat, sed et profectionem Pauli ab urbe ad Spaniam proficis...
by hakeem
Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Cor 11: "when you come together as a church"
Replies: 37
Views: 9234

Re: 1 Cor 11: "when you come together as a church"

If one wants to know where Christians met I suggest one should use the works of Justin Martyr. It is easily seen that Christian did gather together at one place according to Justin. Justin's First Apology LXVII And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to...
by hakeem
Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 88
Views: 27380

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

The Epistles of the Apostles is also a very good example of what one would expect Justin to write about Saul/Paul if he [Justin] knew Acts of the Apostles and the so-called Pauline Epistles. The author of the Epistles of the Apostles claimed the resurrected Jesus [before his ascension] did tell the ...
by hakeem
Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Some Observations on the Nomina Sacra of the First Three Centuries
Replies: 143
Views: 34665

Re: Some Observations on the Nomina Sacra of the First Three Centuries

hakeem wrote:P46 is not the earliest existing texts that we have. There are New Testament Papyri with dates similar to or earlier than P46.

There are no early witnesses of the Epistles even in the NT itself.
Jax wrote:Oh? What papyri are those?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N ... ent_papyri
by hakeem
Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Some Observations on the Nomina Sacra of the First Three Centuries
Replies: 143
Views: 34665

Re: Some Observations on the Nomina Sacra of the First Three Centuries

Maybe I'm missing something. People are making the statement that the first NS were ThY, KY, IC, XY etc and yet AFAIK p46 is the earliest text that we have and I see things like CTRO and ECTRAI on the very first page. What sources, if any, are being used to support the idea that the first four NS w...
by hakeem
Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 88
Views: 27380

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

I have added both Luke 24.45-49 and Dialogue 106.1 for extra context on that last one, since both of these sections in Justin Martyr kind of comes off as a sort of summary of the last chapter of Luke and/or the first chapter of Acts. It is at least interesting that Justin (twice) claims that Jesus'...
by hakeem
Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The start of the Jesus story
Replies: 244
Views: 95052

Re: The start of the Jesus story

The so-called Pauline Epistles do not represent a collection of letters to Churches or represent the state of early Christianity but are really examples of the massive forgeries and false attribution in the NT and Church writings. It is easily seen that writings attributed Ignatius and Clement were ...
by hakeem
Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The start of the Jesus story
Replies: 244
Views: 95052

Re: The start of the Jesus story

Howdy, Hakeem Perhaps you have conflated two distinct performances. The gift portrayed in Acts 2:4 and following is the ability to speak in other natural languages so as to be understood by native speakers of those languages who are present at the time of the mysterious utterance. Acts continues fr...
by hakeem
Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The start of the Jesus story
Replies: 244
Views: 95052

Re: The start of the Jesus story

My position is that the NT Pauline letters were not early and had no role in the start of the Jesus story. As can be seen the NT Pauline letters were written after the claim that the character called the Lord Jesus was dead. If Jesus did live then stories about him must have been known before the Ep...