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- Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: "James the Just": What is the origin of the phrase?
- Replies: 88
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Re: "James the Just": What is the origin of the phrase?
My thesis is that Hegesippus misread Galatians if and when he identified the Lord's brother named "James" with the recognized pillar named "James" (another "James" who I identify as James son of Alphaeus). I think our earliest records of the title "James the just&...
- Sat Mar 12, 2022 3:03 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Primacy of Marcion and implications for historicity
- Replies: 181
- Views: 25495
Re: Primacy of Marcion and implications for historicity
Further -- as far as I am aware there were no historical claimants to a "house of David" ancestry in the first century, or ever, actually, apart from mythical histories. (I am deliberately ignoring a fourth-century claim by Eusebius.) I don't think this is true. Even if we ignore the Hege...
- Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:27 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Primacy of Marcion and implications for historicity
- Replies: 181
- Views: 25495
Re: Primacy of Marcion and implications for historicity
Some text passages of Marcion's Gospel seems to directly contradict some of his supposed beliefs. Stephan and Giuseppe were really upset when I pointed this out :D To me, such discrepancies strongly suggest that Marcion's Gospel wasn't authored by Marcion. He must have adopted it from another sourc...
- Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:41 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What confirmed to Justin that Jesus was crucified "under Pontius Pilate"
- Replies: 11
- Views: 2012
Re: What confirmed to Justin that Jesus was crucified "under Pontius Pilate"
It seems to me that this would indicate that Pilate did not become an important unifying factor for the Church until the year 381. It was not only a question of showing themselves united before persecutions. It was also a way to justify the current persecutions: if even Christ was persecuted by a R...
- Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:01 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Primacy of Marcion and implications for historicity
- Replies: 181
- Views: 25495
Re: Primacy of Marcion and implications for historicity
I agree with that. We couldn't assume that people generally had knowledge of both before Marcion, which is likely why he felt the need to develop a canon in the first place. I think I confused what you were implying.
- Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Primacy of Marcion and implications for historicity
- Replies: 181
- Views: 25495
Re: Primacy of Marcion and implications for historicity
I don't know why you think it makes anything earlier. Marcion would have been in the 2nd century. It makes the recognition of {Paul PLUS Gospel} earlier. For me, at least! {Paul P LUS Gospel} *first manifest through Marcion* is a setting aside or even denial of '{Paul P LUS Gospel} in the mid first...
- Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:35 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What confirmed to Justin that Jesus was crucified "under Pontius Pilate"
- Replies: 11
- Views: 2012
Re: What confirmed to Justin that Jesus was crucified "under Pontius Pilate"
If I remember well, in this article available on jstor: THE IMPORTANCE OF PONTIUS PILATE IN CREED AND GOSPEL Stephen Liberty ...the author (a dogmatic historicist) makes the point that the emphasis on "he suffered under Pontius Pilate" increased more and more when the Christians faced the...
- Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:27 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Do You Want To Know A Secret? The Greek Case For Secret Mark.
- Replies: 118
- Views: 35400
Re: Life Of Morton
Smith not only swings and misses but strikes out here. What's secret in GMark is the Passion/Resurrection. "Mark" makes a stylish ironic contrast to this that the Teachings/Healings, you know, Jesus' supposed public ministry, were highly public. Jesus does tell the demons to shut up. Did ...
- Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:31 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Another evidence that Jesus was paulinized in Marcion
- Replies: 13
- Views: 2072
- Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:08 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was there a lost ending of Mark?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 7720
Re: Was there a lost ending of Mark?
A Proposal that the Longer Ending of Mark is Dependent on the Gospel of Luke http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=106808#p106808 I think the longer ending is more likely to be a scribal amalgamation of Luke and Papias (possibly based on traditions handed down to him by Ariston). The drink...