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by StephenGoranson
Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion saute
Replies: 34
Views: 734

Re: Marcion saute

This, JarekS, reads largely as a recapitulation of your present-day experience in the "content business" for a "publisher," attemptedly retrojected to an ancient setting.
Do you have ancient evidence for ancient relevance of this model?
by StephenGoranson
Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Replies: 60
Views: 996

Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

Of course I contradict your interpretation, but can't promise to attempt to counter all errors.
by StephenGoranson
Fri Apr 12, 2024 9:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Replies: 60
Views: 996

Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

Theodor Gaster. Remember him? Knew Smith well. His quote given to Al Baumgarten. Though B. Landau and G. Smith--among others--made a good case that the Letter was after Eusebius, though maybe, they thought, only within a few centuries after; but Prof. Derek Krueger offered that "no ancient stor...
by StephenGoranson
Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Replies: 60
Views: 996

Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

I have not written that Sabar did not go on about sex. Straw man stuff, again.
by StephenGoranson
Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Replies: 60
Views: 996

Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

Most of this is not relevant to the question that Sabar asked about the Letter: "Was it real?" (Sabar wrote than A.M. went with him, presumably helpfully.) Smith had a long time to compose the text and to put it into the Voss book, which, conveniently, showed no signs of ownership outside ...
by StephenGoranson
Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Replies: 60
Views: 996

Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

Some, not all, of this, not for the first time, amounts to straw man arguments, i.e., pretending to refute things I did not write. My work experience included some editing. A publication can make mistakes, of course. The New York Times, for example, failed miserably in its reporting before the Iraq ...
by StephenGoranson
Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Replies: 60
Views: 996

Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

The subject of my post was whether or not Clement wrote the Letter.
I you think it was, you're free to so say.
But, bridging from your off-point deflection, Morton Smith was a bit of a specialist in pseudepigrapha.
Hm.
by StephenGoranson
Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion saute
Replies: 34
Views: 734

Re: Marcion saute

Raising the question about scriptoria is helpful. Though some things about human nature may be long-lasting, it's also said that "the past is another country: they do things differently there." Back before the printing press, and "content providers," and so on. Some manuscripts h...
by StephenGoranson
Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Replies: 60
Views: 996

Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

That the "Letter to Theodore" was not written by Clement has been argued by Andrew Criddle, Eric Osborn, Jonathan Klawans, Geoffrey Smith and Brent Landau, Grant Adamson, and others.
I think it was not written by Clement.
Research is open.
Argue otherwise, if you wish.
by StephenGoranson
Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Replies: 60
Views: 996

Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

When I compare what I have read by Sabar and in the Atlantic
with posts from Secret Alias
I do tend to think the former usually more reliable.