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That is hardly a banner metaphor in the gospels and Paul.......and Acts......... If this metaphor were so important throughout Christianity, one would have to wonder why it only appears in a single gospel story (John 19:34), and is not a banner metaphor.......And why the single gospel reference does...

Never any questions is no proof of anything at all.......if folks accept with faith the claims of the church that's their business, but it sure is different that asserting empirical proof for the existence of Christianity earlier on, for which no empirical proof actually exists. But there never was ...

Well, judging from the sheer number of "heresies" alleged to have existed early on, it certainly does more than enough to establish a scenario of authenticity for the older existence of the official religion, predating the Romans. I guess you'd have to ask a relative handful of apologists,...

Doesn't sound like it specifically relates to Muhammad, about whom the Arabs themselves did not write anything until Tabari, about 200 years after Muhammad is said to have died. Of course this was already under the Abbasid caliphate, which is when it appears that Islam was created to unify the vario...

If this metaphor were so important throughout Christianity, one would have to wonder why it only appears in a single gospel story (John 19:34), and is not a banner metaphor.......And why the single gospel reference does not even allude to this passage in Zechariah......possibly it's because the Roma...

Must have been doesn't confirm there were any self identified Jewish Christian communities anywhere. No evidence in any Jewish texts.

stephan happy huller wrote:I don't know but there must have been Jewish Christians who were later connected with "Cerinthus"

I am still intrigued by how Stephan Huller could actually be a descendant of real Frankists or of Frank himself..........The Frankists really disappeared and the Prague Sabbatians were not actually originally Frankists at all, even if Louis Brandeis, whose family was from Prague, had a photo of Eva....

I can imagine how ancient apologists made a mish-mash of many things and people, and created sects where none existed in the first or second or other centuries to solidify their own position as the official State Religion. But a Jewish rabbinically-oriented Cerinthus in the first century as describe...

Maciejko's book is extremely interesting. But it appears that much of who Frank actually was is still rather unclear, at least in relation to the beliefs associated with the Sabbatean followers of Shabtai Zvi.

If anyone can possibly make heads or tails of what the alleged Cerinthius and his group actually believed, or it they even existed as described by the apologists in the second century, I'd be very, very surprised. The contradictions are so many that the descriptions are practically useless. http://w...