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by spin
Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If even Tacitus didn't mention Pilate in connection with Jesus...
Replies: 40
Views: 6889

Re: If even Tacitus didn't mention Pilate in connection with Jesus...

The fire discourse ends at 15.44.2a. The fire narrative proper ends at 15.40.2, after which we learn about the events dealing with the results of the fire, the human effort, the financial outlay and the propitiatory acts. These are summarised in 15.44.2a with "all human efforts, all the lavish ...
by spin
Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Tacitus an Interpolation: Detering Argument
Replies: 56
Views: 10386

Re: Tacitus an Interpolation: Detering Argument

Your hypothesis about the french scribe is interesting too. Im french and effectively, we spell christians : «chrEtiens», not chritiens. Not in circa 1150 though. The vowel, yes, but the /s/ hadn't been lost. At least that's what I understand from Chretien de Troyes, according to this (see bottom, ...
by spin
Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Tacitus an Interpolation: Detering Argument
Replies: 56
Views: 10386

Re: Tacitus an Interpolation: Detering Argument

There are two possible explanations for the appearance of the corrected Christianos/Chrestianos in the Beneventan copy that contains Ann.15.44 (Medicee II): 1. Chrestianos was in the source text and the copyist decided to "correct the error". 2. Christianos was in the source text, but a F...
by spin
Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Tacitus an Interpolation: Detering Argument
Replies: 56
Views: 10386

Re: Tacitus an Interpolation: Detering Argument

I just find it the most parsimonious answer to the issue, and explains a lot of the problems with the text, including the Chrestian/Christ interplay (common mistake due to phonology),... There are two possible explanations for the appearance of the corrected Christianos/Chrestianos in the Beneventa...
by spin
Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is 1 Cor 11:23-27 an Interpolation? (split)
Replies: 153
Views: 76770

Re: Is 1 Cor 11:23-27 an Interpolation? (split)

schillingklaus wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:13 am No, the highlighted stuff does not suggest otherwise, it only suggest a common ancestry, however remote..

It is only wishful thinking of Markan priorists to do so.
Very telling.
by spin
Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is 1 Cor 11:23-27 an Interpolation? (split)
Replies: 153
Views: 76770

Re: Drive by

Now for the Lukan source: (table omitted) Luke is working from Mark and improving his source. No, Luke is not dependant on Mark here, but both of them depend on a skeletal cena and on the interpolation 1 Cor 11:23-26. The highllighted verbal allusions suggest otherwise. The table is eclatantly inco...
by spin
Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 606033

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

Luke's account is by no means derived from Mark's, as Markan priorists try to force us to believe, but from an older skeletal account with no bread breaking included and with only an eschatological cup (as opposed to the cup of the covenant). Only the interpolation of 1 Cor 11 : 23-26 forced the go...
by spin
Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 606033

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

The only material to suggest Jesus was known before Paul are two interpolations, one based on the Lucan last supper in 1 Cor 11:23-27 What is the evidence for interpolation here? 23b-25 is derived from Luke which is derived from Mark. But I've argued here years ago that it's interpolated. One of th...
by spin
Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 606033

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

Paul gives no indication that the messianists of Jerusalem he visited were early Christians, . . . . I'd be interested to read of your thinking behind the above statement. Care to elaborate or point us to where it is discussed? I'm working from my reading of Galatians 1-2. 1:1, he wasn't an apostle...
by spin
Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Some Interesting Notes on the Eusebian Forgery of Josephus' Testimonium
Replies: 10
Views: 2182

Re: Some Interesting Notes on the Eusebian Forgery of Josephus' Testimonium

I'd be more interested to see a real case as to why the TF should be considered an intentional forgery as opposed to the accidently incorporation of a marginal note. To me the TF looks like a marginal note. I've read several cases for forgery. They have their convincing aspects, but I've only ever ...