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- Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:02 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
- Replies: 65
- Views: 6637
Re: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
I think that using LC's theory as a working hypothesis provides a perspective that could be useful, even if it is wrong. My main concern is that he doesn't go far enough. For example, how do we know that Lucian wrote the works usually attributed to him? Are the same assumptions that we use when assi...
- Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:58 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
- Replies: 65
- Views: 6637
Re: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
I'll say the same thing to you that I said to Earl Doherty: I admire that you've put yourself out there with your theory. it is easy for me to fire off a hundred questions since I have no skin in the game. So feel free to answer or not answer my questions here and elsewhere as you have time and inc...
- Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
- Replies: 65
- Views: 6637
Re: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
(2) There are forgeries, frauds and interpolations in both pagan and Christian literature. Plutarch, Lucian, Plato, Seneca, all had texts purported to have been written by them. It would be surprising not to find it in Christian literature. The more famous the writer, the more likely that later aut...
- Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:14 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
- Replies: 65
- Views: 6637
Re: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
From this it seems clear to me atm (also see comments below) that both Tertullian and Eusebius were not referring to any general persecution of the Christians by Nero but rather the death of the chief apostles Peter and Paul in Rome. I don't see the logic in that, I'm afraid. Can the execution of P...
- Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:43 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
- Replies: 65
- Views: 6637
Re: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
Three Challenges: (1) Identify (from the list or elsewhere) any non Christian source which attests to the historical existence of Christians prior to the rise of Constantine, and for which you are prepared to argue, with a reasonable level certainty, that the source identified is legitimate and aut...
- Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:47 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dura Europos
- Replies: 103
- Views: 7952
Re: Dura Europos
5) Peter and Christ a-walking on the water? This could be anything. The water upon which the ship is floating could well have been the Euphrates River immediately below the city of Dura. The figures could be anyone involved with the river transport trade welcoming a newly arrived trader. Could the ...
- Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:26 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: "Pure objectivity" is a myth
- Replies: 154
- Views: 10422
Re: "Pure objectivity" is a myth
I think the way to go is the use of Bayes Theorem and Bayes inference. It's strength isn't that it provides an objective result, but rather that it leads to getting an insight into our own subjective weighting. Take for example the thread on Dura Europos going on in a current thread: https://earlywr...
- Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:58 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The great irony: Tertullian derided Euhemerus
- Replies: 5
- Views: 379
Re: The great irony: Tertullian derided Euhemerus
So the irony is that Tertullian would have never accepted that his Jesus was a historical figure as (he thought to be) Bacchus or Zeus or Heracles. For Tertullian, Jesus was a divine figure even if 'also' a man, "if indeed one ought to call him a man" (Eusebius). That's right. As Tertulli...
- Sat Oct 01, 2022 10:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The great irony: Tertullian derided Euhemerus
- Replies: 5
- Views: 379
Re: The great irony: Tertullian derided Euhemerus
No, actually Tertullian is confirming Euhemerus, or at least the modern idea that Euhemerus has come to respresent (since Euhemerus' work was a fanciful tale). Tertullian writes in that same link: It is undoubted that not a few of your gods have reigned on earth as kings. That's how Euhemerism is us...
- Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:19 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: "Pure objectivity" is a myth
- Replies: 154
- Views: 10422
Re: "Pure objectivity" is a myth
Biased people can be right and unbiased people can be wrong. Stick to the argument and worry about motives after the argument has been settled. It's good to see people having their own theories and biases posting here. Leucius Charinus was a pain in the arse a few years ago since he drove every thre...