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by John2
Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark 16: why women and not men?
Replies: 14
Views: 13687

Re: Mark 16: why women and not men?

I like MacDonald's idea that the women at the tomb are based on Hecuba, Andromache and Helen. As he sums it up on page 145 of The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark : ... Mark's account retains distinctive traits from Homer, such as the abandonment of the hero by his protecting deity, the summonin...
by John2
Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:10 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121450

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Ulan wrote: It's especially uncertain where they drew the line and if there was any history in the proper sense as basis in the first place. True, but what helps me think Paul may have talked with Agrippa and Bernice are the indications outside of Acts that Paul was cozy with (and possibly even rela...
by John2
Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:18 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121450

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Ulan wrote: Why do you even consider arguments like this? Note the "After they left the room...". It's a private conversation between three important historical figures. Why do you think this is anything else than fiction that was invented to make Paul look good? The whole Jesus trial stor...
by John2
Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:07 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121450

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Second rate fiction
Perhaps not, for the reasons above, is all I'm saying.
by John2
Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:56 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121450

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

I've been stumped by the "he alone" thing in Hegesippus regarding James going into the "holy place" (which I'm at least comfortable thinking is not the Holy of Holies and means "he alone" among Christians or non-priests) and not knowing where else to look for any preced...
by John2
Wed May 30, 2018 8:32 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: The Rabbinic Sources Confused Berenice and Helena
Replies: 8
Views: 15195

Re: The Rabbinic Sources Confused Berenice and Helena

What a great link! Much to ponder.
by John2
Tue May 29, 2018 7:05 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Hebrew
Replies: 123
Views: 160841

Re: Hebrew

Ipetrich wrote: Looking at Leviticus 11, among aquatic animals, vertebrate "true" fish are OK, but crustaceans and shellfish are not. That's likely a way of expressing dislike of seacoast people, pointing to what they like to eat. I wonder why then some think that techelet derived from mur...
by John2
Sat May 26, 2018 10:38 am
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: Grateful Dead
Replies: 121
Views: 386519

Re: Grateful Dead

What a cool video. Thanks, arnoldo. I can't believe how many views this thread has! It can't be all me because I haven't been here in awhile. As I reflect on the journey I'd say I'm most grateful to have found 6/8/77. I haven't even listened to all of it yet, but based on what I have heard (mainly J...
by John2
Sat May 19, 2018 5:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?
Replies: 21
Views: 12600

Re: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?

Though he argues for a date of 175-176 CE based on the second passage, regarding Celsus' phrase "those who reign over us now" Droge writes: The treatise cannot be dated, as is often done, by the number of emperors to whom Celsus refers. For example, in C. Cels. 8.71 Celsus mentions, "...
by John2
Sat May 19, 2018 5:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?
Replies: 21
Views: 12600

Re: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?

1. No one knows when Celsus wrote but it seems to have been during a period when two Emperors ruled in Rome so the period of the joint rule of Marcus Aurelius and Lucius Verus and conversely Marcus Aurelius and Commodus are favored as dates). I've never looked into the dating of Celsus before. I ju...