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BeDuhn translates it correctly, but either Ben or Roth fudges it. The parentheses remind me of those footnotes in the NRSV that tell the reader what is actually in the Greek although they bowderlize the main text. Ben also managed to restore the wineskin and patch in the reverse - canonical - order...

gryan wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 8:26 am By 10 and 12 do you mean
010 Augiensis
012 Boernerianus
??

For sure

Codex Augiensis, Greek/Latin diglot, 9th CE: 010.
Codex Boernerianus, Greek/Latin interlinear diglot, 9th CE: 012

davidmartin wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 3:24 am There is no name for a non-gnostic, mystical branch of Christianity even though it leaves traces everywhere, why is that?

"Marcion"

I hope that clarifies my thinking there. It certainly does Don, thanks. I disagree with your conclusion. The text, like any text, reads from beginning to end, and it mentions Chrestians 5 times first, and Christians 2 times towards the end : 6. XRηSTIANOS 53. XRηSTIANOS 63. XRηSTIANOS 72. XRηSTIANO...

Now I quote the full Argument from Earliest Rivalry with John the Baptist directly from Klinghardt's only words. It is found in page 368: 2. Similarly, the John-the-Baptist tradition . *Ev mentions John the Baptist several times, but his biographical and theological knowledge is comparatively small...

I can't follow you here. You present conclusions without analysis or arguments in the first paragraph, as well as the second but most importantly you seem to be focused on the word "heretical" which is nothing but a judgmental label by someone else from some other camp I am painting with ...

So .. the real, true, original, and unredacted John material is unloved by all, no one else in this camp exists. It is heretical to all who came before and all who came after. However it is a missing link in the evolution of "Christianity": first narrative gospel first obvious synchronism...

Who labels the John - the real and unredacted John - camp as heretical? Thomas, John, *Ev: the Chrestian camp where Thomas is the unwilling and unwitting witness to his text being completely misappropriated and eventually leading to world domination by one single religion: he would have killed hims...

I am trying to understand this thread. Does KK recognize that since the second century there were reports of the passage being read as if John the Baptist was "scandalized" by Jesus? But John is offended when he hears of Christ's miracles— because, <you suggest>, he belongs to the other <...

John - the real and unredacted John - preceded that, and was the first to take Thomas into a narrative. But he also doesn't understand Thomas in its psychological self-salvation context, he turns the Father into a kind of deity, a being of light from where a person named IS was issued. depends how ...