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by davidmartin
Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 254130

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

You’re confusing two different Simons. Simonians (including Basilides) worshipped a Simon whom they believed to be the Great Power of God. That’s where the name “Simonians” comes from. (Proto-orthodox Christians ridiculed that Simon by referring to him as a magician, i.e., Simon Magus). Simonians b...
by davidmartin
Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 254130

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

Basilides is said to have held that Simon was “an incorporeal power and the ‘Nous’ (Mind) of the unborn Father.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.23.4). That’s not complimentary enough? He appeared, then, on earth as a man, to the nations of these powers, and wrought miracles. Wherefore he did not hi...
by davidmartin
Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 254130

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

one issue is Basilides doesn't seem to be a straight up Simonian it seems his doctrine isn't too complimentary toward Simon, and more interested in "freedom from the spirit rulers" drawing a distinction between these two doesn't really change what you're saying, it's just a nuance that sti...
by davidmartin
Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
Replies: 254
Views: 143920

Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism

GD i completely agree with you there's a chiasmic structure to the epistle teaching its hard not to see the resurrection as the ritual equivalent of 'being saved' so when humans 'are saved' that's a re-enactment of the resurrection that would tend to de-value the human Jesus... as a type of the unsa...
by davidmartin
Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
Replies: 254
Views: 143920

Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism

gMark is Pauline, thus is aware of the Unter/Uber Torah issues of Paul. But gMark is not an encyclopedic playbook of Paul's theology/dogma.[/list] heh this is how the "poor fit" the gospels have with Pauline theology gets waved away i'm open to an 'awareness' of things pauline but these d...
by davidmartin
Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
Replies: 254
Views: 143920

Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism

Why? I mean, why do you think this would be a problem? Paul himself clearly wasn't interested in Jesus's life, but I don't see that translating into his followers refusing to have any truck with learning more. All ok unless the teachings are not identical but if different... why would an epistle ch...
by davidmartin
Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospels, Epistles, Old Testament: the order of books according to Jesus Chri st
Replies: 25
Views: 16831

Re: Gospels, Epistles, Old Testament: the order of books according to Jesus Chri st

In claiming that the Old Testament came after the Gospels and the Epistles--or in claiming that the Septuagint was the third in sequence--is mlinssen using these terms differently than in the usual definitions, or is he ignoring Dead Sea Scrolls in Hebrew and in Greek? Or both? I'm understanding th...
by davidmartin
Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Oh Susannah! Perfect Mind
Replies: 11
Views: 11720

Re: Oh Susannah! Perfect Mind

hmmm, i'm trying to figure out how to read "post-pauline christian" !
maybe its partly a lamentation i kind of saw it being Simonian related
by davidmartin
Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Oh Susannah! Perfect Mind
Replies: 11
Views: 11720

Re: Oh Susannah! Perfect Mind

you're not the first person to see this https://web.archive.org/web/20141229071726/http://www.westarinstitute.org/blog/restoring-books-excluded-from-the-new-testament/ My own response to this text is startled acknowledgment that the writer knew Paul’s letters. When I was working with the editors of ...
by davidmartin
Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
Replies: 254
Views: 143920

Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism

My words here seem to have been taken somewhat out of context. I was replying specifically to a quote suggesting that the life of Jesus was invented in order to defend Paul’s doctrines. If the life of Jesus was written for that reason then, yes, I would expect to see him defending what we know to b...