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- Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:21 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
- Replies: 155
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Re: Mark's downer Gospel
You’re confusing two different Simons. Simonians (including Basilides) worshipped a Simon whom they believed to be the Great Power of God. That’s where the name “Simonians” comes from. (Proto-orthodox Christians ridiculed that Simon by referring to him as a magician, i.e., Simon Magus). Simonians b...
- Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:08 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
- Replies: 155
- Views: 254130
Re: Mark's downer Gospel
Basilides is said to have held that Simon was “an incorporeal power and the ‘Nous’ (Mind) of the unborn Father.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.23.4). That’s not complimentary enough? He appeared, then, on earth as a man, to the nations of these powers, and wrought miracles. Wherefore he did not hi...
- Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:06 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
- Replies: 155
- Views: 254130
Re: Mark's downer Gospel
one issue is Basilides doesn't seem to be a straight up Simonian it seems his doctrine isn't too complimentary toward Simon, and more interested in "freedom from the spirit rulers" drawing a distinction between these two doesn't really change what you're saying, it's just a nuance that sti...
- Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:55 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
- Replies: 254
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Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
GD i completely agree with you there's a chiasmic structure to the epistle teaching its hard not to see the resurrection as the ritual equivalent of 'being saved' so when humans 'are saved' that's a re-enactment of the resurrection that would tend to de-value the human Jesus... as a type of the unsa...
- Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:21 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
- Replies: 254
- Views: 143920
Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
gMark is Pauline, thus is aware of the Unter/Uber Torah issues of Paul. But gMark is not an encyclopedic playbook of Paul's theology/dogma.[/list] heh this is how the "poor fit" the gospels have with Pauline theology gets waved away i'm open to an 'awareness' of things pauline but these d...
- Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:15 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
- Replies: 254
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Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
Why? I mean, why do you think this would be a problem? Paul himself clearly wasn't interested in Jesus's life, but I don't see that translating into his followers refusing to have any truck with learning more. All ok unless the teachings are not identical but if different... why would an epistle ch...
- Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:46 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gospels, Epistles, Old Testament: the order of books according to Jesus Chri st
- Replies: 25
- Views: 16831
Re: Gospels, Epistles, Old Testament: the order of books according to Jesus Chri st
In claiming that the Old Testament came after the Gospels and the Epistles--or in claiming that the Septuagint was the third in sequence--is mlinssen using these terms differently than in the usual definitions, or is he ignoring Dead Sea Scrolls in Hebrew and in Greek? Or both? I'm understanding th...
- Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:37 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Oh Susannah! Perfect Mind
- Replies: 11
- Views: 11720
Re: Oh Susannah! Perfect Mind
hmmm, i'm trying to figure out how to read "post-pauline christian" !
maybe its partly a lamentation i kind of saw it being Simonian related
maybe its partly a lamentation i kind of saw it being Simonian related
- Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:17 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Oh Susannah! Perfect Mind
- Replies: 11
- Views: 11720
Re: Oh Susannah! Perfect Mind
you're not the first person to see this https://web.archive.org/web/20141229071726/http://www.westarinstitute.org/blog/restoring-books-excluded-from-the-new-testament/ My own response to this text is startled acknowledgment that the writer knew Paul’s letters. When I was working with the editors of ...
- Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:15 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
- Replies: 254
- Views: 143920
Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
My words here seem to have been taken somewhat out of context. I was replying specifically to a quote suggesting that the life of Jesus was invented in order to defend Paul’s doctrines. If the life of Jesus was written for that reason then, yes, I would expect to see him defending what we know to b...