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- Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What if both Detering and Vinzent are wrong
- Replies: 10
- Views: 707
Re: What if both Detering and Vinzent are wrong
1. In these citations, Price is not saying that Marcion “was only a collector.” But rather, that Marcion might himself have written much, but not all of , the central Pauline material. 2. You are right to notice that Klinghardt has no argument for his view—which is thus only an assumption—that Marci...
- Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:13 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 'The Corinthian Correspondence: Redaction, Rhetoric, and History,' by Frank W. Hughes and Robert Jewett
- Replies: 18
- Views: 1227
Re: 'The Corinthian Correspondence: Redaction, Rhetoric, and History,' by Frank W. Hughes and Robert Jewett
Thanks for noting this. A few thoughts— 1. The most important insight of a work like this is simply recognizing that C1 & C2, in their canonical form, when read as though they were authentic copies of two actual letters, are incoherent to the point of being unintelligible. Hughes and Jewett take...
- Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was Paul a prophet of the destruction of the Temple by fire?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 485
Re: Was Paul a prophet of the destruction of the Temple by fire?
Across most ancient traditions, fire was a commonplace symbol of the sky god, the sun, the heavens, the apocayptic judge of mankind, the testing of the righteous and the wicked. Jewish scriptures are full of it: Sodom and Gomorrah, Elijah, various prophets. Egypt, pre-Socratic philosophy, etc Absurd...
- Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:47 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The evident primacy of the Gospel of John as the first of them all
- Replies: 58
- Views: 4177
Re: The evident primacy of the Gospel of John as the first of them all
mlinssen— 1. I could be misreading this thread, but is the argument that the popularity of gJohn from 200 onwards should count as evidence for its being written before Marcion/Synoptics/Thomas? (To me the abundance of some writers over others in the manuscripts is shakey evidence to begin with, but ...
- Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: A Basic Objection to BeDuhn’s “Semler Hypothesis”
- Replies: 23
- Views: 1844
- Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:45 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: A Basic Objection to BeDuhn’s “Semler Hypothesis”
- Replies: 23
- Views: 1844
Re: A Basic Objection to BeDuhn’s “Semler Hypothesis”
I still see no objection to my LukeMatthew as a single editorial to Mark, yet looking at the quoting circus around and against "Marcion", it seems like it was a work in progress, which contradicts everything that we have found. Naturally the FF don't t want to disclose *Ev unless it suits...
- Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: A Basic Objection to BeDuhn’s “Semler Hypothesis”
- Replies: 23
- Views: 1844
Re: A Basic Objection to BeDuhn’s “Semler Hypothesis”
For BeDuhn also, the 'Semler Hypothesis' is irrelevant to deciding whether Luke expanded Marcion, or Marcion epitomised Luke; in his case, because his reading of the evidence suggests that the two texts are not directly related. According to his (any ?) reconstruction, the Evangelion is contaminate...
- Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:42 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Anyone have a copy of Trobisch “Who Published the New Testament?”
- Replies: 28
- Views: 2123
Re: Anyone have a copy of Trobisch “Who Published the New Testament?”
I want to highlight this again as it did not get a reply. Irenaeus mentions Polycarp in Adv. Haer., III.3.4. But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also s...
- Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:40 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Did Justin introduce gospels to Rome?
- Replies: 46
- Views: 2348
Re: Did Justin introduce gospels to Rome?
In his preserved works, Justin doesn’t mention the “Gospel According to” any author. Now, I have no reason to doubt that Justin was familiar with texts very much like what we call the Gospels According to Matthew, Mark, and Luke (John is trickier). But the issue Larsen’s work raises is that Justin ...
- Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:58 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Argument: Justin almost certainly knew the letters of Paul
- Replies: 33
- Views: 2420
Re: Argument: Justin almost certainly knew the letters of Paul
Here I'll argue that it is reasonable to assume that: 1. Justin knew Paul's letters and 2. Justin regarded Paul as proto-orthodox. It is really something to argue—IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT JUSTIN EVIDENTLY DIDN’T MENTION PAUL OR ECHO HIS WRITINGS—that ACTUALLY Justin must have known Paul’s letters....