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by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 39
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Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

And somehow only Marcionites ever considered the idea that humans are sinful, so it relates to Marcionism... that is indeed the implication, since it is a fact that "only Marcionites ever considered the idea that human births are sinful , so the birth via holy spirit relates to Marcionism"...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 39
Views: 403

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

(...continuing...) Mark emphasizes the difference between the Jesus before the baptism, a sinful Jesus in need of purification via baptism ...and the Jesus after the baptism: a Jesus defended successfully by the holy spirit against the temptations in the wilderness. Hence it is self-evident that Mar...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 39
Views: 403

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

If Hebrews doesn't persuade you, what about Romans 8:3 ? For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering Marcion interpreted this verse to mean docetism : Jesus only appeared to be in the s...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 39
Views: 403

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

Hebrews is working out a concept of a perfect sacrifice, in order to provide an explanation of how Jesus replaced once and for all the use of sacrifices. are you aware of Turmel's case for the Hebrews's passage being anti-marcionite? We read in II, 16-17 the following observation: “Surely it is not...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri
Replies: 2
Views: 112

Re: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri

The intriguing hypothesis advanced by this book, even if his author is strongly indebted to Rene Salm, is that Jesus was parodied as Dositheus. Both are said to be followers of John the Baptist Both are accused to have learned magic in Egypt Both are said to be connected with Simon Magus I don't fol...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 39
Views: 403

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

In the original story, it was John who was tempted by Satan, not Jesus speculation is free in recostructing lost proto-gospels, but in this confusion I get up to a certainty: more precisely, I see a trend from a not-human not-davidic divine Jesus in *Ev to a human not-davidic in canonical Mark, to ...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 39
Views: 403

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

Ebionism is a post-Marcion phenomenon, for three reasons: since Justin (the earliest polemical reference you have about ebionism, in addition to Cerinthus) comes after Marcion. Since the adoptionism requires the Temptation Story (the human recipient has to be perfect in order to work as recipient of...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 39
Views: 403

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

No difference from this POV between Mark and Matthew and canonical Luke: Mark: Jesus was tempted like ordinary men, yet he resisted to temptation. Matthew and canonical Luke: Jesus was born like ordinary men, yet his birth was through the holy spirit. At this point, yes: Mark could introduce equall...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 39
Views: 403

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

Weakness of the Markan prioritist Bruno Bauer in this case. Bruno Bauer interpreted the Temptation Story as an event related to the community 'Jesus', not as an event related to the man Jesus. He was wrong because he interpreted the Temptation Story as an innocent story (not as wickedly anti-marcio...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 39
Views: 403

The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

An interesting variant of this technique of extracting information about the present from the Old Testament is found in the references in Hebrews to Jesus's temptation. 94 Hebrews says: (2: 8) 'He himself hath suffered being tempted'; (4:15) 'He was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without...