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- Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:02 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Stromateis Book Five. There Were (Now Lost) Books Which Identified the Greeks Borrowed from Judaism
- Replies: 19
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Re: Stromateis Book Five. There Were (Now Lost) Books Which Identified the Greeks Borrowed from Judaism
Gmirkin is not only claiming that the passage in Diodorus Siculus book 40 is only loosely based on Hecataeus. IIUC He currently argues that the portion of the quote in Diodorus Siculus that he does attribute to Hecataeus was a source for (later) Jewish traditions rather than being evidence of (earl...
- Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:02 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: The Old Testament - A Hellenistic Book?
- Replies: 71
- Views: 7007
Re: The Old Testament - A Hellenistic Book?
If you want me to respond to it you might like to let me know about it in some other venue. I am finding this forum a horrible, toxic, sickening place. I have more positive things to do and places to be. Oh, I've just seen this after responding to your other post. Yes, I have found it pretty toxic ...
- Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:58 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: The Old Testament - A Hellenistic Book?
- Replies: 71
- Views: 7007
Re: The Old Testament - A Hellenistic Book?
Yes, but is not the Pentateuch a cooperative effort of "Judea/Jehud" and the Samarians? (That's not only Gmirkin's idea.) It was not produced by a single political or even religious state. That's a good point. The involvement of the Samaritans is crucial, but a very thorny problem when it...
- Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:33 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: The Old Testament - A Hellenistic Book?
- Replies: 71
- Views: 7007
Re: The Old Testament - A Hellenistic Book?
what is the basis for our description of the Pentateuch "fractured, stratified, structurally complicated" OK, well, let's start with this - Three large corpuses of law - (this is encouraging me to upload my mini-essay on this subject) The Covenant Code (CC- Ex 20:24-23:19); The Holiness C...
- Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:05 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: The Origins of Judaism, Yonatan Adler
- Replies: 132
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Re: The Origins of Judaism, Yonatan Adler
The models you describe are born from the assumption that the biblical literature began in the times of the biblical kingdoms of Israel and Judah, let's say from the eighth and seventh centuries -- and then, of course, in the "creative window" of the Babylonian captivity. But is not the d...
- Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:35 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Stromateis Book Five. There Were (Now Lost) Books Which Identified the Greeks Borrowed from Judaism
- Replies: 19
- Views: 1833
Re: Stromateis Book Five. There Were (Now Lost) Books Which Identified the Greeks Borrowed from Judaism
I'd agree with all this. I’m not sure what to say when you say “I'd agree with all this” but also say that you "regard the Gmirkin date as the earliest possible date that the raw materials (identified by Gmirkin - Plato, Berossus, Manetho et al) all became available in the Greek language at th...
- Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:25 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Stromateis Book Five. There Were (Now Lost) Books Which Identified the Greeks Borrowed from Judaism
- Replies: 19
- Views: 1833
Re: Stromateis Book Five. There Were (Now Lost) Books Which Identified the Greeks Borrowed from Judaism
Gmirkin has a detailed and original interpretation of Hecataeus, but at face value it seems to testify to the existence of some version of the Laws of Moses. Andrew Criddle Yep, I know Gmirkin's textual analysis of that passage and I have to say that, when I first read the Manetho/Berossus book, I ...
- Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:12 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Stromateis Book Five. There Were (Now Lost) Books Which Identified the Greeks Borrowed from Judaism
- Replies: 19
- Views: 1833
Re: Stromateis Book Five. There Were (Now Lost) Books Which Identified the Greeks Borrowed from Judaism
Why can't Gmirkin's detractors find one ancient author or archeology mentioning the existence of the Torah before c.274 BCE? Why can't any archeological evidence for societal Torah observance be found prior to the early 2nd / late 3rd century BCE? I can't speak for all Gmirkin detractors, but only ...
- Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:24 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Was there a proto-Genesis-Creation writing?
- Replies: 60
- Views: 8221
Re: Was there a proto-Genesis-Creation writing?
Also, BTW, note that the only places in the Pentateuch that the phrase "sons of God" is used is Genesis 6 and Deuteronomy 32, which I consider a significant clue that the writer of Genesis 1-11 is the same person who wrote the ending of the Pentateuch as well. Although I agree that Deuter...
- Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Was there a proto-Genesis-Creation writing?
- Replies: 60
- Views: 8221
Re: Was there a proto-Genesis-Creation writing?
Also, BTW, note that the only places in the Pentateuch that the phrase "sons of God" is used is Genesis 6 and Deuteronomy 32, which I consider a significant clue that the writer of Genesis 1-11 is the same person who wrote the ending of the Pentateuch as well. Although I agree that Deuter...