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by GakuseiDon
Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 815

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Where do you get the idea that Ignatius is rejecting them? do you realize the irony by Reinach? So Ignatius would throw the Old Testament overboard? It would be the case to say: already! The "archives" cannot be the Old Testament because otherwise Ignatius would have rejected them, by ans...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 815

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

if the 'archives' are a reference to Jewish Scriptures, then it would be unthinkable for Ignaius reject them all under the pretext that the archive is Jesus Christ, not when he had to insist on the continuity between Jewish Scriptures and the Jesus against the docetics who would have willingly reje...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Replies: 20
Views: 307

Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer

Peter Kirby wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 3:01 pm This looks like a reference to a Jewish scripture (the book of Job) being placed ἐν τοῖς ἀρχείοις.
Thanks for finding those examples, Peter. :notworthy:
by GakuseiDon
Sat Mar 23, 2024 2:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Replies: 20
Views: 307

Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer

So it doesn't matter for my argument how the word is translated, as long as the word doesn't exclude holy texts. It would be easier to support your argument, GakuseiDon, if you could show other references to this particular word in Greek in the context of a building/location that was housing Jewish...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Replies: 20
Views: 307

Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer

The following is IMHO the greatest contribution by DCH to the forum (my bold): ... Why couldn't these fine folks have been suggesting that unless it is something affecting their locale directly, it is not important to them? There were no "public libraries" in the Roman empire, except mayb...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Replies: 20
Views: 307

Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer

Ignatius, IMO, is arguing that Christ's crucifixion, death and resurrection can be found predicted in the ancient Scriptures . you are using the wrong translation. The Greek text reads arxeia , i.e. archives , public memories, not holy texts. Think about the sources used by Josephus to write Antiqu...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Replies: 20
Views: 307

Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer

Giuseppe wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:17 pm In addition:
GakuseiDon wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:04 pm Ignatius wrote "If I do not find it in the archives".
how can the doctrine of Christ be found in the public chronicles ?
Depends on what was meant by "archives". For example, did it exclude the OT and/or Septuagint, in your opinion?
by GakuseiDon
Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Replies: 20
Views: 307

Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer

So it is an argument about whether the doctrine of Christ can be found in the ancient texts, not about Christ himself. even when Ignatius says that "the archive is Jesus Christ" himself? How can "Jesus Christ" be a doctrine in this case, when mention is made of archives (=public...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Replies: 20
Views: 307

Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer

Answer to the second point) "Ignatius" is evidence that the Christians couldn't find nothing in the archives (= public memories ) that could prove even only a bit of the gospel: When I heard some saying, If I do not find it in the archives , I will not believe the Gospel; on my saying to ...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 815

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

I have serious reservations with following the timeline from any church father, especially Epiphanius. Not only is he writing in the 4th century, far removed from the scene of the crime, and he is not above making stuff up (like the Nazarenes antedating Christ). Might you be confusing Nazarenes (Ep...