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But you don't answer the question. You just do the 'fake news' bit and attack the questioner. Let me ask it again - to what degree should we doubt the testimony of the Church Fathers? Is what they say for the most part - (a) absolutely true, (b) mostly true, (c) a mix of truth and falsehoods, (d) m...

But the Marcionites drank the blood as water. Hard to get to redemption from that. There is a clear sense that blood of Jesus for the Marcionites meant his crucifixion. See Blackman above. They were undoubtedly "Protestant" in interpretation of the eucharist, its just a symbol to remind y...

But again could the centrality of the Marcionite interest in Jesus blood redemption - 'Jesus blood redemption' ultimately being a recorded event in the gospel (viz. the crucifixion) - have been wholly based on the Pauline writings, a secondary (i.e. based on/derived from the gospels) testament??? N...

Also the most anti-Jewish part of the synoptic gospels is found in Matthew (the part that modern Christians silence viz. Matt 27:25 "His blood is on us and on our children!"). How could this not have been 'Marcionite'? If the Marcionites were these 'Jew haters' They hated the Jewish god n...

Yes but there is difference between the Marcionites and the orthodox - the emphasis of the blood of Jesus as a 'price' for redemption. That's from Paul's ransom theology. 1st Cor 6:20 " For ye are bought with a price : therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.&qu...

If the church fathers are as bad of liars as you say then just call your one amalgomized sect "the un-orthodox" or "the gnostics"....don't call it "Marcionites"...after all, you're basically saying they made up all the sect names. If you want a giant unspecific gnostic ...

Judas' 30 pieces of silver has nothing to do with Christ's blood purchasing anything. This is merely the price Judas evaluated Christ as worth in his unbelief per the orthodox writer of Matthew. Christ's blood purchasing redemption, in the gospels, finds its place in the communion institution narrat...

Double posting, see next:

it is intellectual limitation that's the enemy here. Yep, your intellectual limitation. Your intellect is limited to there only being 2 sects in antiquity, 'orthodox' and marcionites. So you subsume Valentinians, etc. etc. all the 'heretical' groups into marcionites and create an idiotic mess. You'...

Just give up. Theres no need to turn the Marcionites into Valentinians. Youre a Valentenian. We get it. That doesnt mean Marcion was, you lying bastard. Give it up.