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- Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:48 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
- Replies: 233
- Views: 14426
Re: Re : Pourquoi je pense qu'un Jésus historique est la meilleure explication pour les premiers textes
I think the Christians were a hierarchical sect. There were the apostles, the brothers of the lord and the ordinary Christians. And above all, all Christians were brothers and sisters of Christ (Romans 8:29). To see biological brothers in Galatians and 1 Corinthians 9:5 therefore seems to me illogi...
- Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:31 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What is the history of claims that Christians' accounts about Jesus were accurate?
- Replies: 26
- Views: 1413
Re: What is the history of claims that Christians' accounts about Jesus were accurate?
It probably muddies the water somewhat, but Eusebius in the Fourth Century makes an extraordinary claim of having found primary evidence of Jesus, namely correspondence between King Abgar and Jesus. Eusebius claims the provenance of his copy is the Edessan state archives (by Eusebius's time no longe...
- Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
- Replies: 153
- Views: 10115
Re: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
Well, Iranaeus thought that Siman was claiming to have been Jesus Christ, and I see no problem with believing that such a thing was either taught by Simon or was claimed by Simonians later. So far, so good. We're in agreement. Such a claim, either by Simon or by his followers, is not direct proof t...
- Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:00 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
- Replies: 153
- Views: 10115
Re: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
Where is the reference to "Simon's Jesus?" The report (consistent with others given in the Uncertaintist article whose link appears in what you quoted) was that Simonians were taught that Simon appeared among the Jews. I have no problem with the modern analyst amending their claim to state...
- Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:46 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
- Replies: 153
- Views: 10115
Re: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
The Simonian claim from Irenaeus is and he [Simon] taught that it was himself who appeared among the Jews as the Son, but descended in Samaria as the Father while he came to other nations in the character of the Holy Spirit. He represented himself, in a word, as being the loftiest of all powers, th...
- Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:14 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
- Replies: 153
- Views: 10115
Re: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
The killer for me, though, was the ancient attestation of a Simonian claim that Simon Magus enacted the deeds falsely attributed to Jesus as magical performances, including the crucifixion. That implies that Simonians asserted in ancient times that the typical definition of "historical Jesus&q...
- Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:31 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
- Replies: 153
- Views: 10115
Re: Richard Carrier's decisive point on Justin's Trypho
For a long time, I was mystified why historicists bother with the argument-substitute "doubt about Jesus being a real man who actually lived is of modern vintage." Apart from being a gold-plated example of the genetic fallacy, what is wrong with modern ideas so very especially? Apart from ...
- Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:01 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Writers from Antiquity were even able to suspend their own judgment on CITED sources
- Replies: 2
- Views: 265
Re: Writers from Antiquity were even able to suspend their own judgment on CITED sources
Concerning the original inhabitants of Africa, the settlers that afterward joined them, and the manner in which they intermingled, I shall offer the following brief account, which, though it differs from the general opinion, is that which was interpreted to me from the Punic volumes said to have be...
- Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:26 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Review of Carrier's OHJ, Part 1 of 12: Sections 1 thru 3, What I liked and didn't like
- Replies: 16
- Views: 1229
Re: Review of Carrier's OHJ, Part 1 of 12: Sections 1 thru 3, What I liked and didn't like
7. Explanation of the Terms in Bayes’ Theorem P = Probability (epistemic probability = the probability that something stated is true) h = hypothesis being tested ~h = all other hypotheses that could explain the same evidence (if h is false) e = all the evidence directly relevant to the truth of h (...
- Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:38 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Review of Carrier's OHJ, Part 2 of 12: Sections 4.1 1. Epiphanius's Nazorians who believed Christ lived around 70 BCE
- Replies: 3
- Views: 538
Re: Review of Carrier's OHJ, Part 2 of 12: Sections 4.1 1. Epiphanius's Nazorians who believed Christ lived around 70 BC
Found this blog website on Carrier's claim that I thought was interesting since it discusses possible solutions to why Epiphanius's statement ended up that way: https://uncertaintist.wordpress.com/2017/01/04/epiphanius-didnt-write-about-a-pre-christian-jesus/ Thanks for the kind mention, G'Don. Bes...