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by Clive
Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:24 am
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: Future contingents
Replies: 15
Views: 30234

Re: Future contingents

My father's mansion

The trump shall sound

There are so many examples it is ridiculous. Is it deliberate?
by Clive
Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:23 am
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: Future contingents
Replies: 15
Views: 30234

Re: Future contingents

Already Aristotle (384–322 B.C.E.) was aware of the problem of future contingents. Chapter IX of his work, On Interpretation, is without doubt the philosophical text which has had the greatest impact on the debate about the relations between time, truth, and possibility. The discussion in this text...
by Clive
Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:11 am
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: Future contingents
Replies: 15
Views: 30234

Re: Future contingents

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/future-contingents/ The New Testament makes loads of statements about the future - death where is thy sting. But maybe there are huge problems with the truthiness of statements about the future? Not sure I understand the question. IIUC the question is whether a sta...
by Clive
Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:17 pm
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: Future contingents
Replies: 15
Views: 30234

Future contingents

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/future-contingents/

The New Testament makes loads of statements about the future - death where is thy sting.

But maybe there are huge problems with the truthiness of statements about the future?
by Clive
Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who Were the 'Good Ones' in Earliest Christianity?
Replies: 24
Views: 14654

Re: Who Were the 'Good Ones' in Earliest Christianity?

Have the translations lost the rhythms of the above poetry?
by Clive
Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who Were the 'Good Ones' in Earliest Christianity?
Replies: 24
Views: 14654

Re: Who Were the 'Good Ones' in Earliest Christianity?

And there was evening, and there was morning.
Isnt this about two different ways of understanding life? The above is cyclical, the alternative is in opposites?
by Clive
Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who Were the 'Good Ones' in Earliest Christianity?
Replies: 24
Views: 14654

Re: Who Were the 'Good Ones' in Earliest Christianity?

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was holy, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. 6 And God said, “Let there be a vau...
by Clive
Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Arius and two gods
Replies: 12
Views: 16304

Arius and two gods

Arius, pastor of the influential Baucalis Church in Alexandria, Egypt, taught that Christ was more than human but something less than God. He said that God originally lived alone and had no Son. Then he created the Son, who in turn created everything else. The idea persists in some cults today. htt...
by Clive
Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:54 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible
Replies: 44
Views: 58158

Re: Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible

Ekirch At Day's Close writes So attentively did Irish audiences in Dungiven listen to ancient poems that errors in narration were queried on the spot."The dispute",remarked an observer "is then referred to a vote of the meeting". Might be via James Macpherson Poems of Ossian but ...
by Clive
Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:34 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible
Replies: 44
Views: 58158

Re: Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible

Another vector is the truthiness of your holy scriptures. When was the concept of the words being fixed or god breathed invented? That you couldn't improve or edit things? Islam is possibly the high point of this way of thinking, but how far back does it go? Why can you not try and restate the word ...