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- Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:20 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
- Replies: 214
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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
why not just conclude the whole thing was written at one time, by one author? The "giant midrash" could be added by only an editor, while the original author had only the short survived (not-historical) nucleus about Jesus being given to an anonymous Roman Governor who ordered the his cru...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:07 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
- Replies: 132
- Views: 6599
Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
Well, unless we can speculate a very convincing reason, I think Occam’s razor still cuts through to the much simpler explanation that the passage actually was original to Josephus I think that you have not read my confession here , where I have given up to doubt about the authenticity of the Baptis...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:51 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 985
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
It seems that you are begging the question about the implications of an alternative dating. When the alternative dating carries with itself the risk of a total invention de novo of Jesus (with the first gospel), then the original Jesus is reduced to be only a tiny prototype of the invented Jesus: th...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:45 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
- Replies: 214
- Views: 6581
Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Sorry, I meant my question in a slightly different sense: Why would inventing a trial before the Romans and a crucifixion make people believe that Jesus was the Messiah? Jews didn’t want to believe in a Messiah who’d died a humiliating death, and crucifixion wouldn’t have fitted well with their exi...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:42 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
What sentence even remotely implies that Jesus never existed? it seems to me that the difference escapes to you, between the Jesus lived in the remote past (under Janneus) and, for example, the claim that the historical Jesus was Jesus ben Sapphat, crucified in 70 CE by Titus. In the first case (th...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:51 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
- Replies: 1
- Views: 82
Re: Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
For example: Emmaus is the same place where Varus crucified many Jews.
Marcion was disturbed by the Gerasene cry "we are Legion" and probably he omitted the suicide of Legion into the lake because he didn't imagine that the Good God could desire revenge (at contrary of YHWH).
Marcion was disturbed by the Gerasene cry "we are Legion" and probably he omitted the suicide of Legion into the lake because he didn't imagine that the Good God could desire revenge (at contrary of YHWH).
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
- Replies: 1
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Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
I differ from other mythicists insofar I think that: 1) there are traces of hate against the Romans in the first gospel (or its source). 2) these traces of anti-Roman hate are evidence of mythicism. While for other mythicists the replacement of the original killers (demons) with the Romans was only ...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:23 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 985
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
It is a brute fact that exactly one of : 1. The talmud and the Gospels refer to the same Jesus 2. The talmud and the Gospels do not refer to the same Jesus Is true. it is relative to the thought of the people. For example, Strömholm would answer that 1 is true, while Ellegard would answer that 2 is...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:54 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
- Views: 985
Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
But Abraham ibn Daud (d. 1180 CE) is using the Talmud to deny the existence of Jesus lived under Pilate.RandyHelzerman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:38 am
Either way, the Talmud is asserting the existent of someone--it is not denying the existence of anybody.
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:52 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Forget Carrrier for a minute in a discussion on the historicity of Jesus, you are inviting me to ignore the author of the book 'On the historicity of Jesus' . :lol: I go to memory, but in a note of this book, Carrier says that Jesus could be considered as lived on the earth in the remote past, and ...