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by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24785

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

DCH wrote: It is no wonder why Paul as we have it now is so hard to figure out! Apples and Oranges, which makes an interesting fruit salad.
I see what you did there - Apples, Apelles, Apollos .... :mrgreen:
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24785

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

Does 1 Corinthians [1:]12 point to a time when Jesus/Christ was amongst a panoply of saviour figures offered by the early Church? [1:]12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.” I don't think so...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24785

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

WEll, these Corinthians don't seem to say that. They seem to be saying that they listen to Paul/Apollos/Cephas instead. Compared to others in the Church who do have the correct (and original?) message of following 'Christ'. I didn't glean that, but that is feasible (and it's feasible they were foll...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24785

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

For this to work, there has to be some implicit agreement about what this "Christ" is. Fortunately, the text makes this very clear. I disagree: Paul is referring to a nebulous Christ who he is claiming to live 'in himself' and 'speaks through him'. Paul says Christ lives in himself and sp...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24785

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

earlydude asked about 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.” I think it means follow different preachers, and they represent different beliefs; or different preachers of different beliefs, p...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
Replies: 121
Views: 66680

Re: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels

... are you guys seriously convinced in the arguments presented by Carrier and that Earl Doherty thesis? If you read a bit more on this site, you will see that the majority here sees Carrier's and Doherty's specific arguments for a certain theory as often unconvincing. I'd say "many here sees ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
Replies: 18
Views: 11523

Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?

I think: the Christ cult. I think it was 'assumed' by the Jesus cult.
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24785

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

The sense is not that they all follow the same belief, Ulan, because it says there is division and that one person follows Peter, one follow, Apollos, and one follows Christ. They are all part of the same community, so the general message is similar. There are divisions about details, and each apos...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24785

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

And the verses preceding 1 Cor 1:12 show indications of 'divisions' among them: Paul is appealing for them to toe the line - If you think of Paul's letters as a collection of beg letters from some itinerant peddler in religion, where he basically solicits donations for "the poor" (when I ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24785

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

... This is something that gets abundantly clear from the rest of 1Cor. What seems clear from the rest of 1 Cor 1 is that Paul is trying to sell a better theological product - 26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards [according to the flesh], ...