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- Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:56 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
- Replies: 214
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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
what a load of junk this is. so Jesus gets no trial and dies and can't have his body taken down. on the assumption there isn't a base to the story. that is the assumption and the motive becomes clear - to give priority to the epistles! so its just someone with an epistle priority theory that wants t...
- Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:20 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Boid's Soon to be Published Reference to Shilo = Chrestos
- Replies: 35
- Views: 1011
Re: Boid's Soon to be Published Reference to Shilo = Chrestos
In Syriac and probably Aramaic 'goodness/blessed' and 'grace' are same root almost same word. one get's translated Agathos (I think? or Makarios) the other Charis (for sure) i mean in Greek they seem unrelated they don't in Aramaic they are very close. Something like TWBA/TWBTA/Towba (msc) vs Taybut...
- Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:59 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Boid's Soon to be Published Reference to Shilo = Chrestos
- Replies: 35
- Views: 1011
Re: Boid's Soon to be Published Reference to Shilo = Chrestos
My own pet theory here is that speculation regarding ὁ ἀγαθὸς and ὁ χρηστὸς developed as a result of a two powers in heaven perspective (something you have also remarked on). God always was associated with ὁ ἀγαθὸς because it is the noble good, in and of itself, that is proper to divinity, by defin...
- Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Marcionites thought Jesus wasn't 'Christos'?
- Replies: 38
- Views: 1235
Re: Marcionites thought Jesus wasn't 'Christos'?
If the author has knowledge of a doctrine of "two Christs", then the author would need to have some knowledge of it. If there is some doctrine of the real, non-Jesus "Hebrew" Christ that is allegedly Marcionite, then this allegedly Marcionite doctrine must have developed some pu...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:28 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
- Replies: 69
- Views: 1952
Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
dbz, i think the problem is that in the case the epistle's aren't Messianic and date a little later it begs the question - what about the messianic original movement? was there one, or did the church frame it that way in the gospels and acts? i'm just disagreeing with everyone. i flat out think ther...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:38 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
- Replies: 69
- Views: 1952
Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
There could be evidence for the conclusion that the Pauline letters wrote about "Chrestos" (instead of "Christos") in its repeated name for Jesus, but we're not going to get it by counting the amount of evidence-against. The "Elvis" analogy, if it has any relevance, cu...
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
- Replies: 69
- Views: 1952
Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
The basic approach here is based on a fallacy. Trying to discount evidence-against doesn't create evidence-for. There could be evidence for the conclusion that the Pauline letters didn't write about "Christos." But we're not going to get it by counting the amount of evidence-against. Ther...
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
- Replies: 69
- Views: 1952
Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
There are 8 references to Jesus being the Messiah in the 13 Pauline epistles (via mention of David, messianic prophecy or messianic title) 6 in Romans, 1 in 1 Corinthians and 1 in 2 Timothy The 7 in the genuine letters are not present in Marcion There are about 55 much stronger references in the gos...
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:54 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Mark 14-15 "fulfilling scripture"
- Replies: 8
- Views: 433
Re: Mark 14-15 "fulfilling scripture"
fair enough but either what you say took place in multiple texts or why only Mark and no-where else, maybe it also took place also in 1 Corinthians. i don't think Paul's saying that at all, he's on a morality diatribe and the passover lamb comes out of nowhere. I think ch10 and 11 show he's talking ...
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:51 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Mark 14-15 "fulfilling scripture"
- Replies: 8
- Views: 433
Re: Mark 14-15 "fulfilling scripture"
I thought it could indirectly connect to prophecy around the sacrificial atonement (like 1cor15 'For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures'). I see a connection to interpretations around prophecy that might come from a bi...