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- Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:37 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
- Replies: 103
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Re: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
Do you think that, based on what we know about Plutarch and the time he wrote, it is reasonable to view the extant writings of Plutarch as representing pretty much what Plutarch himself wrote, even if we can't be certain? What I mean is: we don't have an eye-witness to the writings of Plutarch, som...
- Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:56 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
- Replies: 103
- Views: 9903
Re: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
Do you think that, based on what we know about Plutarch and the time he wrote, it is reasonable to view the extant writings of Plutarch as representing pretty much what Plutarch himself wrote, even if we can't be certain? What I mean is: we don't have an eye-witness to the writings of Plutarch, som...
- Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
- Replies: 103
- Views: 9903
Re: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
Do you think that, based on what we know about Plutarch and the time he wrote, it is reasonable to view the extant writings of Plutarch as representing pretty much what Plutarch himself wrote, even if we can't be certain? What I mean is: we don't have an eye-witness to the writings of Plutarch, som...
- Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:36 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
- Replies: 103
- Views: 9903
Re: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
I'd raise the same criticism for your approach: when you refer to ancient non-Christian texts, do you do so after evaluating them in the same way that you'd want ancient Christian texts to be evaluated? Yes I believe that I do with the caveat that Christian literature as a series of story books hel...
- Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:27 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is there life "in the flesh" after "you have crucified the flesh"? Gal 5:24
- Replies: 15
- Views: 1299
Re: Is there life "in the flesh" after "you have crucified the flesh"? Gal 5:24
I'm confused about what you are saying at the end of your post: "... the faith of the Son of God" is a subjective genitive translation. But your interpretation of it assumes Christ is the object of the believer's faith: "But faith in Christ is the belief that Christ came as an offeri...
- Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:08 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is there life "in the flesh" after "you have crucified the flesh"? Gal 5:24
- Replies: 15
- Views: 1299
Re: Is there life "in the flesh" after "you have crucified the flesh"? Gal 5:24
I think you have expressed a point of view that is reflective of the modern consensus with respect to the notion of becoming participants in the "flesh of Christ" (a notion expressed in Jerome's commentary on Galatians). This is a fuller listing of the passage about "Christ's flesh&q...
- Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:43 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
- Replies: 103
- Views: 9903
Re: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
I would like to know what justification there would be for completely ignoring the Church Fathers. I don't think we can ignore them, but we can certainly question their accuracy. When it comes to trying to look at earliest Christianity, do you trust the Church Fathers? The impression I got when rea...
- Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
- Replies: 103
- Views: 9903
Re: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
My view on levels of confidence concerning the historical integrity of texts and their authors from antiquity is that it generally diminishes the further back in time we go. This however does not necessarily imply that they can't be used in analysis. Rather that the (provisional) conclusions which ...
- Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:53 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is there life "in the flesh" after "you have crucified the flesh"? Gal 5:24
- Replies: 15
- Views: 1299
Re: Is there life "in the flesh" after "you have crucified the flesh"? Gal 5:24
I find it odd that neither secular scholars nor conservative Christian interpreters have shined the light on the problem of human "desire" as a problem that is central both to Paul's moral argument in Galatians and to the letters attributed to James and 1 Peter and 1 John, which are IMHO ...
- Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:05 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
- Replies: 103
- Views: 9903
Re: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
People have questioned the historicity of Jesus but no one to my knowledge has questioned the historicity of Irenaeus. Has anyone else questioned the historicity of Irenaeus? If they have not then it follows that the postulate is unexamined. I've been thinking to bring this up with you on previous ...